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  • Archiving P2 content options

    Posted by Jay Moss on April 21, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Hi,

    I am basically trying to find the best way of archiving rushes shot on P2 (in various formats) without necessarily playing everything out to tape. I have obviously checked some of the other posts covering this but still have a few questions.

    We do not have the option of buying an HD deck and so the archiving of HD rushes is the largest problem. To date i have just been slowly filling up my Raid storage, but soon this will have to end as it isn’t really cost effective.

    We have one or two projects that were shot using DVpro50 and i will probably just play these back out to DVcam as they are not very large (am i correct in thinking there will be no loss of quality by doing this?). However, apart from the HD rushes we also have a lot of graphics projects (again at both SD and HD) and i’m concerned about quality loss if we were to dump those onto DVcam.

    The best solution seems to be to buy a tape backup drive like this: https://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?568696_P:O which would allow us to put anything on there, at a fraction of the cost of an HD deck and with no format issues. Are there many other people out there using these and am i right in thinking this would solve our problems?

    Regards,

    J

    Noah Kadner replied 18 years ago 5 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Noah Kadner

    April 21, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    LTO is faster and better than VXA, not to mention more commonplace. If you can afford it, this drive is controllable via network and MXF video aware for cataloging:

    https://www.quantum.com/pdf/DS00336.pdf

    -Noah

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  • Shane Ross

    April 21, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    [Jay Moss] “We have one or two projects that were shot using DVpro50 and i will probably just play these back out to DVcam as they are not very large (am i correct in thinking there will be no loss of quality by doing this?).”

    You are incorrect, there will be LOADS of quality loss. DVCPRO 50 is digibeta like quality. 4:2:2, 2:1 compression and very clean. DV is 4:1:1 and compressed 5:1.

    LTO is the way to go. Hee…rhyme.

    Shane

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  • Brandon Lima

    April 22, 2008 at 6:56 am

    I would agree, I am in the process of archiving P2 footage and came up with LTO 4 as the best option. Still haven’t bought the tape drive yet. Anyone have any other ideas?

    Thanks-

    -Brandon

  • Jay Moss

    April 22, 2008 at 10:45 am

    That’s great. Thanks. LTO does seem to be the way to go, i’ll get looking into it.

    As far as the quality difference between various formats goes; what is the best resource for this type of info? Obviously each manufacturer has their own spec details listed on their sites, but i’ve been looking for a complete table, listing all formats and detailing the properties of each. Ideally it would be something which shows how video codecs like DVCpro50 etc fit into the picture as (for me anyway) there is always some confusion over this type of info; so thanks to Shane for pointing out my imminent DVcam blunder!

    Does such a thing exist?

    Regards,

    J

  • Jeff Wilmes

    April 22, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Is there a possibility of a solid-state archival solution, say like the P2 card? I would think eventually pricing has to come down to a reasonable point and capacity high enough to make this an option. If we are using such an indestructible medium for recording, why not make it available for archival purposes as well. Obviously not in the current capacities, or design, but what would/could the possibilities be? Has this ever been thought of or discussed?

  • Noah Kadner

    April 23, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    [Jeff Wilmes] “Is there a possibility of a solid-state archival solution, say like the P2 card? I would think eventually pricing has to come down to a reasonable point and capacity high enough to make this an option.”

    Nothing that exists outside of a research lab, solid-state remains incredibly expensive on a price/storage ratio. One other possibility is optical media. For example Blu-Ray data discs can be used. But those are 50GB for $25 a disc vs. $30 for 400GB on DLT and LTO. Stick with what works and await the future.

    Noah

    My FCP Blog. Unlock the secrets of the DVX100, HVX200 and Apple Color. Now featuring the Sony EX1 Guidebook
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