Apple’s ProApps- not a money loosing scenario

[Jamie Franklin]

[Marcus Moore] “I used Legacy FCP for a decade, and while different, the FCP X timeline construction in my experience saves way more time than it burns in futzing, once you know how to use it.”

See this isn’t what interests me. I would rather have *complete control* over this “time saving!” fetish.
Are you doing anything long form? I can’t imagine cutting a feature on this. I am using it right now. And it doesn’t function without the futzing. THAT is what gives the user control. Not animating a trick or preventing me from pancaking a timeline. How does this not frustrate the user? So who is this *timeline* really for…?

I even wonder if you really are saving time scrubbing everything and losing all these heavenly useful controlable, customizable, features in 7.

You really don’t miss pancaking a timeline? Getting a bum clip with god knows what, and dragging it into a *new* sequence and getting that sweet sweet popup…YES, OF COURSE! Problem halfway solved…

Time saving? An automated timeline that has built in restrictions saves time. Why, sure. But now we are arguing something completely different. Robots can make a gibson I suppose…but then…

[Marcus Moore] “You can throw either the Viewers (Source/Record Windows) or the Event Library to a second computer display,”

Can I resize it? Place windows where I’d like? Having PP 2.0 deja vu

[Marcus Moore]

If time-saving isn’t a metric that’s important to you, then I wonder what part of the industry you’re working in. 😉

The associative nature of the timeline is something that I’ve come to very much enjoy, not only for time saving reasons but for how fluidly I can cut. If I desperately need to pancake footage, I can sandwich them between slugs. Let me be clear, I don’t see a substantive loss of control when I work.

I think you’re finding an inherent problem with the philosophy of the timeline thats just not there- and that’s because you don’t like it. And that’s fine. One of the great advantages here is that there are now TWO philosophies for timeline construction. Traditional track-based NLEs may find things to learn from the FCPX timeline and integrate them over time. At the same time there are things from Legacy FCP that I’d like to see reincorporated to the X timeline- visual organization is lacking, and trimming tools still need work. But the base conceit of the magnetic/connected/trackless timeline is something I very much hope Apple never gives up on; cause me, an editor since the mid-90’s, loves it.

[Steve Connor]

[Jamie Franklin] “I even wonder if you really are saving time scrubbing everything and losing all these heavenly useful controlable, customizable, features in 7.
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Is it very hard to believe that many people use FCPX and are finding it a better and faster NLE to use than FCP7? do you think everyone is lying or delusional? Do you think that their real world and in many cases long term use of FCPX doesn’t give them enough insight?

Steve Connor

Hoping to become a pedant

[Jamie Franklin]

Is it very hard to believe that many people use FCPX and are finding it a better and faster NLE to use than FCP7?

Yes. It is. The timeline is automated and forces relationships. This to me doesn’t really equate to “better” when flexibility is sacrificed. Faster doesn’t = more creative. Just because you can drive faster on rails doesn’t mean you are a better driver. This is why I find these arguments perplexing.

I’m not nit-picking here. That is a structural flaw in this timeline/gui, that, and a couple of i/o points, and annoyances is why 7 is still around. Do you honestly think so many of us stuck with 7 or moved on because they are scared luddites? Are we still in 2011? I’ve tried it. Others tried it. (yes, including the updates. I use it for other small tasks still) And yet we’re still put off by the forced relationships.

Do you think that their real world and in many cases long term use of FCPX doesn’t give them enough insight?

I’m going to call BS on this. This is not iced tea. This is not yoga. There is no epiphany magicsauce here. The timeline is not an acquired taste.

Anyways, I think we’ve argued this into the ground. Hope you’re having a great summer!

j

[Charlie Austin]

[Jamie Franklin] “Yes. It is. The timeline is automated and forces relationships. This to me doesn’t really equate to “better” when flexibility is sacrificed. Faster doesn’t = more creative. Just because you can drive faster on rails doesn’t mean you are a better driver. This is why I find these arguments perplexing. “

What I find just as perplexing, is that when people who use X say they feel it’s better to work in than FCP 7, it gets discounted as the ravings of kool aide drinkers. I started cutting in Media Composer and still own it. Occasionally I still use it.. in a feeble attempt to keep my chops up. I personally can’t understand why anyone would prefer to work in it, but people do. And they like it. Does that mean it’s “flawed”? Nope, it means I don’t like it. But I wouldn’t presume to say that, because of my preference, all Avid users are lemmings who don’t know what they’re talking about. It’s ridiculous.

[Jamie Franklin] “Do you honestly think so many of us stuck with 7 or moved on because they are scared luddites? Are we still in 2011? I’ve tried it. Others tried it. (yes, including the updates. I use it for other small tasks still) And yet we’re still put off by the forced relationships. “

Nobody… ok almost nobody… is calling anyone scared luddites except in jest. And all the so-called “forced relationships” can be controlled, overridden, whatever… as needed. What you see as horrible flaws I, and others see as useful features.

[Jamie Franklin] “I’m going to call BS on this. This is not iced tea. This is not yoga. There is no epiphany magicsauce here. The timeline is not an acquired taste. “

Of course it isn’t. Like any NLE, it’s something you learn to use by using it. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. Calling BS on all the people who do like it is insulting really. This all comes down to: “I like it!”, “I don’t!”. “It doesn’t do the things I need it to!”, It works great for me!”. There are plenty of talented, competent, professional editors who like cutting in X, many of them have lots of experience cutting in other NLE’s to compare it to.

[Jamie Franklin] “Anyways, I think we’ve argued this into the ground. Hope you’re having a great summer! “

heh, quite true, but it’s been too quiet in here lately. At least we’ve been on topic! Hope you have a great summer too. 🙂 I’m gonna go watch Sharknado now… lol

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