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Apple’s aesthetic skills went off the rails
Burt Hazard replied 12 years, 10 months ago 17 Members · 67 Replies
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Marcus Moore
September 19, 2013 at 1:52 amOliver, you’re asking for justification of art. Art is influenced by culture, the time in which it’s produced, the people that made it- all sort of factors.
Apple has proven more than most its willing to stick doggedly to it’s perceptions on design and the market. If Apple was that malleable we’d have a $299 Mac laptop and a 5″ iPhone by now.
If Apple doesn’t do anything it’s falling behind, if Apple changes things it’s confusing people. If Apple doesn’t make a low cost phone it’s leaving money on the table. If they make a low cost phone they’re beaten up for reduced profits due to lower margins on their devices.
I haven’t spent enough time with iOS7 to say whether or not it’s better than before- but as someone else posted it’s really a matter of living with something for a while, then go back and take a look at the old thing and see how you feel.
Different looks different. And that freaks people out.
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Michael Hadley
September 19, 2013 at 2:06 amI have massive and sincere respect for your post-production expertise. BUT…
Had no problem downloading i07 to my phone around 4pm EST. Have been playing with it a bit. Not earth shattering but at first blush: me likey.
Early days (early hours?) and it seems like a definite improvement. And regardless of the somewhat twee aesthetic, from a functional perspective, it seems better through out. And even seems to run a bit peppier on my 5.
I’ll know if I really like it better in a few days but first impressions are definitely positive. Sorry it’s not working for you.
One thing is undeniable: Apple spent a huge amount of time working on every scintilla of the new iOS. You may not like it but you can appreciate the effort. Plus: IT’S FREE!
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Oliver Peters
September 19, 2013 at 2:08 am[Marcus Moore] “Oliver, you’re asking for justification of art. Art is influenced by culture, the time in which it’s produced, the people that made it- all sort of factors”
Agreed, but we are talking about a corporate environment. Ive is only allowed to practice his “art” because he deservedly has ascended to the reigns. Had Forstall still been there, the “art” would have gone in a different direction. Equal justifications available either way. History is written by the victors.
[Marcus Moore] “Apple has proven more than most its willing to stick doggedly to it’s perceptions on design and the market”
And what are those perceptions? They seem to be different with every piece of software.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Oliver Peters
September 19, 2013 at 2:13 am[Michael Hadley] “Had no problem downloading i07 to my phone around 4pm EST. Have been playing with it a bit. Not earth shattering but at first blush: me likey. “
That’s cool. Remember though that my original post dealt with what I consider – and still consider – bad design in iCloud Mail. Bad – because readability decreased from the previous version with more or less the same layout. That merely extends to iOS7, because that’s where the design aesthetic came from.
FWIW – I’m OK with the iOS7-inspired Calendar and Contacts in iCloud. In general, I’d rather Apple spent its time fixing iCloud before they glitz up the face of it.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Michael Hadley
September 19, 2013 at 2:28 amTrue. True. Then the thread kind of veered off into a general dump onto Ive and iOS7. It’s all good. Chacun a son gout.
FWIW, since I got an iPhone in 2011, I never use iCloud. I’ve either got everything on my laptop, my desktop or, wonderfully, in my hand on the go via the iPhone. Rare’s the time I could even see wanting to use a browser to log in to iCloud.com. I just see it as a data backup that I never use but nice to have in case.
That said, I just took a look at its iOS-ification. Seems okay. But I just realized one HUGE benefit: the iWork suite is now FREE. Free!
BTW–love your blog and print articles. Keep ’em coming!
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Marcus Moore
September 19, 2013 at 2:31 am[Oliver Peters] “And what are those perceptions? They seem to be different with every piece of software.”
You do realize how difficult it is for Apple could institute a single, coherent design philosophy across so many parallel application and operating system divisions? Does development of FCPX wait for design philosophy to be handed down for this year? OSX development?
If iOS7’s design principals hold any weight or longevity, it could be years before we see them interpreted across all of Apple’s products and services. That’s not incongruity. It’s just the pace of development.
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Oliver Peters
September 19, 2013 at 2:34 am[Michael Hadley] “Rare’s the time I could even see wanting to use a browser to log in to iCloud.com.”
Understood. It becomes very important to me, because as a freelancer, it gives me an option for communication and sometimes file transfers on machines that I don’t own. I no longer drag the laptop to jobs, opting instead for the iPad to get e-mail and surf the web.
[Michael Hadley] “BTW–love your blog and print articles. Keep ’em coming!”
Thanks.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Oliver Peters
September 19, 2013 at 2:39 am[Marcus Moore] “You do realize how difficult it is for Apple could institute a single, coherent design philosophy across so many parallel application and operating system divisions?”
Sure. But unlike other companies, Apple actually employs UI designers that work across divisions to keep the skinning consistent. So the UI for FCP X isn’t designed by ProApps department engineers from what I understand. Other than how it has to interact with the technical side – Core Image, GPU usage, etc.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Jeremy Garchow
September 19, 2013 at 2:42 am[Oliver Peters] “And what are those perceptions? They seem to be different with every piece of software.”
The schism! 🙂
But does everything have to be the same? And if they aren’t the same, why is it a problem?
iOS and fcpx are completely different as they should be.
Does Acrobat check in with After Effects to inform PDF creation? Perhaps on a cursory level, but probably not much.
Fcpx already has “Tags”. Mavericks also has “Tags”. They will probably operate differently. The OS and FCPX interfaces are different.
Using Adobe again, even though there are some similarities, the mask tools in Photoshop are different than After Effects.
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Oliver Peters
September 19, 2013 at 2:52 am[Jeremy Garchow] “But does everything have to be the same? And if they aren’t the same, why is it a problem?”
I don’t have a problem with it and I hope they don’t become the same. But this is Apple we are talking about. The company that eliminates user customization in favor of the one right way. 😉 OS skins, anyone?
[Jeremy Garchow] “Does Acrobat check in with After Effects to inform PDF creation?”
Huh? That makes no sense in the context of a UI discussion.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Using Adobe again, even though there are some similarities, the mask tools in Photoshop are different than After Effects.”
But, UI design IS being unified within the CC apps.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com
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