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Apple working on new Mac Pro
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[Steve Connor] “Perhaps we should start calling people “Advocates” instead?”
You can call them whatever you want. The bottom line is there are Apple users that will not say anything negative about Apple and even get upset when you post honest criticism. I admit Adobe’s CC sucks compared to the old CS paradigm. I criticized Adobe all the time in these forums.
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[Steve Connor] “[Scott Thomas] “You make it sound like there’s an office on a lower level at Microsoft with a sign on the door saying “Beware of the Leopard” that has the info I need to stop these incursions.”
You sir are a hoopy frood :)”
Sounds like you’ve been to see Trin Tragular…
Doug Metz
Anode
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[Walter Soyka] “In reality, Microsoft has a world-class research division, but they have done a dreadful job of commercializing their research. Microsoft has recently reorganized Microsoft Research to help bring their concepts to market more smoothly.”
Although Microsoft had been working on a lot of these projects years ahead of Apple, as far as Joe-Apple is concerned, it’s Apple who is bringing new things to market before Microsoft. It’s Apple that is now an innovator in hardware. And as they say, perception is 99% reality.
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[andy patterson] “See my point?”
You speak derisively of “phone” CPUs, but they are on what much of the industry is focused right now. Intel sold off their ARM chip license and designs many years ago, and have recently reacquired an ARM license. It’s said that Intel has lost billions of dollars by not being in that space. Mobile is where the growth is.
From last year: https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/16/12939310/iphone-7-a10-fusion-processor-apple-intel-future
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[Scott Thomas] “[andy patterson] “See my point?”
You speak derisively of “phone” CPUs, but they are on what much of the industry is focused right now. Intel sold off their ARM chip license and designs many years ago, and have recently reacquired an ARM license. It’s said that Intel has lost billions of dollars by not being in that space. Mobile is where the growth is.”
There is nothing wrong with cell phone CPUs nor did I say there was. You are using a strawman. Having said that cell pone CPUs get better and better quicker than computer CPUs because people get incentives to buy new phones when their contract ends. In another five years the cell phone CPU and computer CPUs may use the same chip. As of now the iPad does not have the best performing CPU. It works OK for a mobile OS. Having said that talking about cell phone CPUs does not help hide the fact that the Apple computers are still running a Windows 95 paradigm in the year 2017. That is what “see my point” was referring to.
Do you finally see my point this time?
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[andy patterson] “Having said that talking about cell phone CPUs does not help hide the fact that the Apple computers are still running a Windows 95 paradigm in the year 2017. That is what “see my point” was referring to. Do you finally see my point this time?”
I don’t see your point. What’s wrong with the macOS UI paradigm?
Walter Soyka
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[Chris Harlan] “Although Microsoft had been working on a lot of these projects years ahead of Apple, as far as Joe-Apple is concerned, it’s Apple who is bringing new things to market before Microsoft.”
Back in the Balmer era there was the Microsoft Courier project. Looked pretty cool.
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[andy patterson] “You are using a strawman”
I am? This is what you said…
[andy patterson] “If OS X had touch screen support and worked on the iPad with a core i7 CPU and the Surface Pro used a cellphone CPU and a mobile OS instead of Windows 10 64 bit I would complain about it.”
I basically said that “cellphone” CPUs are what are are in vogue now, and their development is bringing them very close to Intel’s desktop offerings. You are the one who said you would “complain” about them if offered in a Surface. You must have liked Surface RT.
Also, the ARM processor started out as a desktop CPU. ARM powered the Acorn Archimedes.
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[Scott Thomas] “I basically said that “cellphone” CPUs are what are are in vogue now, and their development is bringing them very close to Intel’s desktop offerings. You are the one who said you would “complain” about them if offered in a Surface. You must have liked Surface RT.
Also, the ARM processor started out as a desktop CPU. ARM powered the Acorn Archimedes.”
I am aware of the Surface RT but MS also offered the Surface Pro with an i7. I would be upset if in the year 2017 the Surface Pro was not available with an i7 and incapable of running Windows 10 (64 bit version). Apple does not offer OS X on the iPad or the iPad pro nor does Apple offer the i7 CPU. That is not to say the iPad’s CPU doesn’t work but the 6 core Coffee Lake CPUs will be here soon.
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[Walter Soyka] “[andy patterson] “Having said that talking about cell phone CPUs does not help hide the fact that the Apple computers are still running a Windows 95 paradigm in the year 2017. That is what “see my point” was referring to. Do you finally see my point this time?”
I don’t see your point. What’s wrong with the macOS UI paradigm?”
Windows 3.0 and the Mac OS 6 looked similar. One could say they had a similar paradigm. Windows 95 launched and introduced the Taskbar. Apple opted to leave the menubar and ad the Dock to keep up with the taskbar. Keep in mind several Linux OS vendors also copied the Windows 95 paradigm. The Windows 95 paradigm is still used by Apple today. It is a good paradigm for desktop computers with a keyboard and mouse. For small 10″ tablets it does not work that well. Apple has decide to keep OS X a Windows 95 type OS and allow iOS to operate on mobile touch screen devices. I know Apple was probably hoping desktop computers would be a thing of the past by 2017 and everyone would be using an iPad for everything. No need to revamp OS X. Microsoft knew desktops and tablets would both be used in 2017. MS also knew 64 bit Intel Chips would be inside of the tablets. MS was not going to make two operating system. MS designed Windows 8 to operate in two different modes. Keep in mind Windows had touch screen support prior to Windows 8 but not the Metro GUI. The Windows 95 desktop paradigm will work OK with touch screen monitors that 24″ or bigger. The Dock and Taskbar can be cool but on an 11″ touch screen tablet not so much. The Windows 95 paradigm still works great and the Taskbar can do some cool things. The OS X Dock works fine for desktop computers but in the year 2017 Apple’s OS X needs to be revamped. I would not want MS to have two different operating systems would you? I am also glad MS is always trying to improve the touch screens capabilities. I am not a fan of All In One systems but the Surface Studio with the Surface Dial got my attention.
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