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Mitch Ives
December 20, 2008 at 6:41 pm[walter biscardi] “Adobe has really put together a beautiful suite of products now much better integrated than the Apple suite. They don’t have anything like Color which is now a must in our workflow. But they have set a very nice bar in terms of integration. Will be interesting to see if Apple has any answer for the overall integration of the Adobe suites and any significant updates to the Studio suite.
Of course, with a miniscule beta team, whatever Apple introduces, it will most likely not work properly on 95% of the computers out there when they release it. “
My thoughts exactly. Not only is it integrated, but there is native Red and AVCHD support. It also seems to need less rendering. Now that Premiere can read FCP projects, a number of people are considering it. IMO, FCP is getting real long in the tooth. If they don’t bring out a MAJOR update (as opposed to these incremental changes) then I think they will have a real challenge going forward. There are a number of people moving from FCP to Premiere for the precise reason that you list… that and the recent Kona support. Let’s hope there is a completely re-written FCP coming to go with snow leopard…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
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Shane Ross
December 20, 2008 at 7:13 pmCS4 as native support for codecs…OK….fine. Great. But, how does it handle long form editing? How are the controls? How does it stack up against Avid and FCP when you need to cut a feature length film or broadcast TV show?
Scott Simmons answered my questions…
https://www.scottsimmons.tv/blog/2008/12/04/shanes-adobe-premiere-pro-questions-are-good-ones/
Shane
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Mitch Ives
December 22, 2008 at 3:45 pm[Shane Ross] “CS4 as native support for codecs…OK….fine. Great. But, how does it handle long form editing? How are the controls? How does it stack up against Avid and FCP when you need to cut a feature length film or broadcast TV show?
Scott Simmons answered my questions…
https://www.scottsimmons.tv/blog/2008/12/04/shanes-adobe-premiere-pro-questi… “
Two thoughts:
1) I think this constitutes “whistling past the graveyard”. It seems to me that everyone is trying to convince themselves that Premiere isn’t a threat. Not too long ago they weren’t even in the rear view mirror… now they’re all over the back bumper… and it happened pretty quickly. Given Adobe’s lightspeed pace versus Apple’s glacial pace, what do you think next year will look like? The only thing that will stop Adobe is Adobe… if they do another “Encore has no problems” tour.
2) We must be reading different articles at your link. I see that article as supporting my point, not yours. I see nothing in there that doesn’t say it’s very similar to FCP in all regards. After explaining some Premiere difficulties it points out that it would be the same or worse in FCP? That article seems to point out the superiority of Avid, not the inferiority of Premiere.
My point is pretty straightforward. Apple needs a complete re-write, not another slip-shod addition to an already confusing house. Jobs claims they are putting a lot of money into the pro-apps. Like Walter, I have difficulty believing that, given the way too small development team and the damn near invisible beta team…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
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Shane Ross
December 22, 2008 at 5:10 pmI find the interface intimidating. Far more complex than Avid. Designed by engineers for engineers…and all the tools the compositors want. But for the daily task of long form editing, I can’t see using this. But this is me. I tried CS3 for a few days and really didn’t like the interface. BUT, this is what happens when an Avid editor lands on FCP or an FCP editor lands on Avid.
Anyway…I don’t want to knock it. It is a tool that works. If people want to use it…they should use it. It just doesn’t fit the workflows I have right now. Media Management is slightly lesser than FCPs, just a tad. And that is not good as FCPs does not bode well as FCPs sucks. After being on an Avid for 2 months I feel like I am breathing much better. Media Management that you really don’t have to constantly think about and be on top of.
ANYWAY…just saying that it is good for many reasons, but I don’t see it as a threat. To some places that use FCP, maybe. But as for long form feature film or TV…I can’t see it as a threat to AVID or FCP.
Shane
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Paul Dickin
December 22, 2008 at 7:58 pm[Mitch Ives] “Apple needs a complete re-write, not another slip-shod addition…”
Hi
I hope that the way Final Cut Server works, on a low-level direct into OS X, rather than as an application in the Application folder, is an indicator of the future of FCS.
Taking its database needs from the OS, rather than hiding all the media metadata inside an ancient Project format…
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