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Apple / RED comparison
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[Walter Soyka] “The difference is simple.
RED had no customers prior to RED ONE. Apple is the NLE market leader, with two million of users.
RED introduced a brand new product where none existed before. Apple replaced an existing product with a newer, arguably less functional one.
No one had any vested interest in RED before RED ONE. Everyone on this forum is touched by the EOL of FCP7, the release of FCPX, or both.”
DING! DING! DING! – we have a winner!
If you are going to innovate then you have to do better than FCPX. To say that FCPX is really innovation is a bit of a stretch.
They improved a lot of timeline issues that hinder editors, that’s good. But really it is still a track or layer based workflow where you butt clips up one after another for linear storytelling and can layer clips vertically for composting. Nothing new here.
Anyone who says any differently, has obviously never used a NLE other than FCP. CMX editing to NLE…. that was innovation. -
I think the definition of a “pro” is pretty simple. You make your living editing on ANYTHING, and you are a pro. The only thing that really matters is results. Any tool used by a pro is obviously pro, right? Doesn’t mean it’s the best tool, but it’s still being used professionally whatever it is.
Jerry
Apple Certified Trainer, Producer, Writer, Director Editor, Gun for Hire and other things. I ski. My Blog: https://blogs.creativecow.net/Jerry-Hofmann
Current DVD:
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[Brian Mulligan] “If you are going to innovate then you have to do better than FCPX. To say that FCPX is really innovation is a bit of a stretch.
They improved a lot of timeline issues that hinder editors, that’s good. But really it is still a track or layer based workflow where you butt clips up one after another for linear storytelling and can layer clips vertically for composting. Nothing new here.
Anyone who says any differently, has obviously never used a NLE other than FCP. CMX editing to NLE…. that was innovation.”Lets say for a minute that you’re right about the actual timeline and it’s pretty much no different from anything else. The timeline and GUI are just how you get around in software. Those things simply speed you up or slow you down. Whether or not you can classify changes like that as “revolutionary” or “innovative” is a moot point. Where FCPX has taken giant leaps foreward is that it’s got metadata as it’s foundation. If you’d poked around in the software for long enough you’d realize this.
Even if FCPX dies a horrible death b/c every FCP editor leaves for adobe or avid the the progress they made with the architecture of the app WILL change the industry.
-mattyc
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Metadata is nothing new to NLE editing. Apple has pushed it further by allowing you to metadata everything. But others have and are uisng metadata. But unless you are working with 1000 hours of video, and have had time to metadata it all, it’s not essential to the art of editing.
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OH NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
A voice of reason!
Jerry
Apple Certified Trainer, Producer, Writer, Director Editor, Gun for Hire and other things. I ski. My Blog: https://blogs.creativecow.net/Jerry-Hofmann
Current DVD:
https://store.creativecow.net/p/81/jerry_hofmanns_final_cut_system_setup8-Core 3.0 Intel Mac Pro, Dual 2 gig G5, AJA Kona SD, AJA Kona 2, Huge Systems Array UL3D, AJA Io HD, 17″ MBP, Matrox MXO2 with MAX – Cinema Displays I have a 22″ that I paid 4k for still working. G4 with Kona SD card, and SCSI card.
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[Jim Giberti] “It’s a bit of a disappointment on some levels but a great innovation on others.
It’s not a reason for the level of outrage that some folks are taking it.”Actually, with what has occurred the last 2 days, the level of outrage seems to be parallel to Apple’s actions. And kudo’s to all those speaking up…
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I’m all for speaking up.
Freaking out is another thing and shooting from the hip is usually inaccurate.
The shortcomings are apparent and need to be addressed.
Some of the comments have gone beyond opinions though and a number of things that I’ve read “couldn’t be done” are proven false with a little time in the program.
Not helpful on a forum used by many for straight information is my thinking.As a 10 year FCP user I’m totally perplexed by Apple’s obvious omissions but I’ve “been there”, I’ve got both 7 and X running on my systems and I’m willing to see how this develops.
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[Jim Giberti] “Some of the comments have gone beyond opinions though and a number of things that I’ve read “couldn’t be done” “
I don’t think that is enough to excuse the elimination of a timeline which doesn’t bode well for OMF/XML/EDL i/o
Eliminating a lot of customizable features and say, this is how it is…accept it. Sorry, that’s not how editors work anymore…that is a complete step backwards.
Pulling FCS3 without warning…pulling the updater without warning, my god…
NONE of these are small and ALL of them get a pass because this is a 1.0 nor because a few people haven’t gotten deeper into the program and may be wrong on a couple of things so should be classified as unhinged, over-reacting or scared because of the “new”….
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Hey Jamie, you’re last sentence is kind of what I mean I guess.
I was careful not to characterize anyone in that way in my opinion.I think it comes down to two things.
If you’ve been there before, and I certainly have owning several multimedia studios and a creative firm, then you might look at this with a little more perspective (whether that’s good or bad).
I do think the major omissions will be addressed in short order as they usually are with 1st releases.I think after that you’re either going to like the new convention as one of your creative tools or your not.
I think we will and I plan on doing several new spots and a couple of short films in X and Motion 5 this summer and I’m not stupid.And I feel the pain of big editing houses if this means they ultimately do have to move on from Apple
peace.
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