Apple has not abandoned you. Good read for the naysayers :)

[Douglas K. dempsey]

Exactly, the idea that anybody cares one way or another about Final Cut Express proves this article is a bogus, spin-controlled piece of propaganda.

And I am tired of people all over this forum saying “don’t be so negative” and “don’t buy the software if you don’t want to.”

I am NOT buying the software, because as many have noted, it won’t function for my pro work. What I AM impacted by is the simultaneous decision by Apple to pull FCS3. Not only does that indicate lack of continued support (like bug fix updates once it doesn’t work correctly in Lion), but I now have no valid FCP7 purchase options. Suppose I need to install another license on another machine so I can hire a freelance editor to work with me on a high-volume of footage documentary I am making? Well now I have to troll ebay, hoping that the FCS3 packages there are legitimate, accept an invalidated warranty because I am buying from unauthorized vendors, etc etc.

As I posted elsewhere on this forum, it is a race against time: will FCPX achieve the necessary functionality (OMF, XML, import old sequences or projects, multi-cam, and many other details listed in Biscardi & Harrington’s podcast) BEFORE the current FCP7.0.3 stops working in Lion or subsequent “Lion King” or “Cheetah” OS or whatever comes next?

[Misha Aranyshev]

AV Foundation is in Snow Leopard too. It’s just not open for third parties so no one knows how complete it is.

[Matt Callac]

[Buddy Couch] “Matt,
Read my response :). I have been reading the forums here for about 2 years. Do not mistake me for a fanboi or whatever you like to call someone hopelessly devoted to something.

I am upset with a few things in Final Cut X as well. I am neutral in my views, and will withhold my judgement for 6 months or so. X does what I need it too now so I am not terribly concerned from an editing standpoint.”

Buddy, I just read your original response. I wasn’t trying to call you a fanboy. I was more making a comment on how Scott’s been looking at how long people have been active poster’s for and noticing that a lot of accounts were started on the day the product was launched.

I totally agree with your views. I think judgement needs to be with held and i’ve been digging into the program as well as reading the manual and other available resources. Overall I like where this app is headed.

-mattyc

[Herb Sevush]

Douglas

will FCPX achieve the necessary functionality (OMF, XML, import old sequences or projects, multi-cam) … BEFORE the current FCP7.0.3 stops working in Lion?

I think you’re being naive. I don’t think FCPX will EVER have most of these features – it’s not necessary for the market they are aiming at.

Knowing they were killing FCS3 the same day they were releasing X, if they wanted X to be able to open FCP project files it would have. This is real basic stuff, I’ll bet Automatic Duck will have a file conversion available in the next few months. If after 2 years of development Apple can’t do it now, why would they do it 3 months from now?

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions

[Aindreas Gallagher]

Buddy man, I’m not over reacting – this is a joke – i can now sit on an imac and prep a CNN ireport on my secondary story line while my files are default saved to my home folder.

this app is not FCP. It just isn’t. Dropping the source viewer isn’t clever, closing the application off wasn’t a blinding insight, refusing to license OMF wasn’t in our interest, making a glitzy GUI that’s palpably, after a quick throwabout on a mates install, slower and less reactive than FCP6 on a three year old machine is just.. look – this isn’t FCP – this application is not FCP.

Having made a prosumer application, much as quicktime X is a prosumer software solution, there is no reasonable weight to the notion that they are going to reverse and re-introduce the necessary complexity of a professional application. FCP was complicated. Professional software is complicated, it has to meet many advanced needs and therefore must expose functionality – this application is none of those things – it is a prosumer application – if they had simply flagged up end of lifed FCP and announced VideoGaragebandExtreme I could bear it a little better.

Say it with me now baby – FCP is gone, gone, gone.

http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Ken Pugh]

It was very funny. I mean FCP is dead OK but FINAL CUT EXPRESS noooooooo………

But what worries me are the reports that iMovie Pro has to transcode all its imported media to ProRes – no native support for H264 or XDCAM etc. Just like FCP I’m sure new features will be added incrementally and in 10 years we could be back where we started. But having to transcode media on import to ProRes is not exactly a feature that can be incrementally improved – it’s at the heart of the software. Great that you can edit while the transcoding is taking place, but…..

what happens when you need to do a fast edit with say 50 hours of DSLR H264 that all has to be transcoded before you can lay off to tape – oops sorry – export to iMovie – seems like a bit of a nightmare….. and then all the masses of storage required to keep backups etc.

So after editing a quick promo the diligent editor will be left with 50 hours of H264 and 100 hours of ProRes (including the safety backup) and 5 days of transcoding while he waits to export the edit into another programme for tape delivery (which most TV stations still require).

Game changer.

Ken.

[Aindreas Gallagher]

oops – wrong simon, thought you knew dan cullen..

http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Herb Sevush]

Ken –

But what worries me are the reports that iMovie Pro has to transcode all its imported media to ProRes – no native support for H264 or XDCAM etc.

Couldn’t agree more. I started an earlier thread entitled “its worse than we thought” primarily because of this information. Welcome to the future – but first we have to transcode all your material.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions

[Simon Ubsdell]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “oops – wrong simon, thought you knew dan cullen..”

Oh but I do – I didn’t know who you meant. Great guy, Dan, though I haven’t worked with him for about 12 months. Say hi from me if you see him first!

Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com

[Danielle Fillios]

I agree It’s a race againts time! But I am very pessimistic. I suppose we are not the target anymore. They obviously earn money from Ipad and Imovie consumers. We are a very small market, and I am sure they switched to the laptop and Imac market and will abandon Macpros soon,too!