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Apple getting ready for the coming new MacPros?
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I don’t have a bias, I’m cutting on Premiere right now and I hate it. The shop I’m in at the moment didn’t ask what I use, nor did I think to ask what they have. I’d rather be using X since Avid isn’t available.
People may be using X all over the world on high end cutting edge entertainment, but besides a handful of people there not using it in LA. Sony has a division that does content pieces for theatrical releases and that’s the only place I’ve heard that Switched over to X.
As far as having to go out of your way to see content produced in Avid or Ppro that’s kind of a crazy statement to make. I get it your a die hard apple evangelist but come on now?
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[Bill Davis] “I’d love to be educated about how the Premiere or AVID editing operations are improving and evolving.”
I don’t think that is the case. I doubt you have watched even one Premiere Pro video I have posted let alone all of them. I think Most Avid and Premiere Pro editors will watch a video of FCPX if it posted in this forum. Why not just watch a few Premiere Pro or Avid MC videos on YouTube if you really want to see what the competition can do? I am always checking out the competition and will switch platforms if necesary. I don’t think you care about the competition because you are to loyal to Apple to ever switch. Am I correct? Be honest : )
[Bill Davis] “So how is your NLE of choice evolving? I know how mine has – and continues to.”
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You honestly think there is no difference from Premiere 6.5 to Premiere Pro 1.0 or Premiere pro 1.0 to Premiere Pro CC? There is such a huge difference form Premiere 1.0 to Premiere Pro 6.0 I could write a book about. Having said that do you see anyone asking has FCP evolved? I don’t even have DR but I have seen DR getting better and better. As a Premiere Pro user I can also see Avid and FCP getting better and better.
I could say so much more but I will be a good boy : )
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[Bill Davis] “For example: The project that David Tillman cut entirely on X nearly two years ago for Chuck Braverman’s OJ Simpson, The Lost Tapes project – Just snagged a couple of Emmy nominations a couple of weeks ago.”
What is your point? I never even seen it to be honest with you.
[Bill Davis] “As an X editor – I see TONS of X content from all over the world.
In order to see stuff on Premiere or AVID – I have to actively seek it out via effort.”
There are movies cut on Avid MC and Premiere Pro but the users of Premiere Pro and Avid don’t make movies about it (Off The Tracks) and have get togethers about it like the FCPX users do.
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[Neil Goodman] “As far as having to go out of your way to see content produced in Avid or Ppro that’s kind of a crazy statement to make.”
Not if you understand what I’m saying.
I’m not implying that people in general have trouble seeing examples of work cut in Premiere or AVID (or X for that matter since most programming doesn’t come with a “cut on…) label. That’s silly.
My point is that nearly everyone’s information feeds today are pre filtered by virtue of what you search for and consume most often. If you looked at my information feeds, you’d see that there’s a ton of X related news and content in it. That’s because it’s a specific interest of mine and Google, et al – understand that and feed me more. It’s no different than a couple having a baby – starting to search for baby stuff – and finding their feeds full of cribs and formula coupons. It’s how the whole internet works now.
If you read about Premiere or AVID or Resolve – you get fed MORE Premiere or AVID or Resolve stories. So much so that it can make you think that the products you prefer are the ones that most others prefer as well, even in cases where that might not be an accurate view of the actual market.
I thought everyone already understood this stuff.
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[Bill Davis] “I’d love to be educated about how the Premiere or AVID editing operations are improving and evolving.”
News is easy enough to come by passively by just using Twitter and FB. If websites are more your thing I’d suggest starting with the following:
Oliver’s blog
https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/ProVideo Coalition
https://www.provideocoalition.com/Creative COW
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[andy patterson] “There are movies cut on Avid MC and Premiere Pro but the users of Premiere Pro and Avid don’t make movies about it (Off The Tracks) and have get togethers about it like the FCPX users do.”
It’s probably true that those programs have “users” while FCP X has a significant number of global users who can be fairly described as “enthusiasts.”
Since Apple spends effectively ZERO to fund or promote that – you might ask why this has happened.
It couldn’t be because the time and effort that Apple’s NLE team put into really considering how to make improvements in the software during the Legacy to X transition has real-world value that organically resonates with lots of editors?
Naw, It must be because we’re all just identically deluded. ????
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[Bill Davis] “It’s probably true that those programs have “users” while FCP X has a significant number of global users who can be fairly described as “enthusiasts.””
Careful. Your confirmation bias is showing ☺
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Bill Davis] “My point is that nearly everyone’s information feeds today are pre filtered by virtue of what you search for and consume most often. If you looked at my information feeds, you’d see that there’s a ton of X related news and content in it. That’s because it’s a specific interest of mine and Google, et al – understand that and feed me more. It’s no different than a couple having a baby – starting to search for baby stuff – and finding their feeds full of cribs and formula coupons. It’s how the whole internet works now.
If you read about Premiere or AVID or Resolve – you get fed MORE Premiere or AVID or Resolve stories. So much so that it can make you think that the products you prefer are the ones that most others prefer as well, even in cases where that might not be an accurate view of the actual market. “
Sure that makes sense, but nothing about your original post put it in that context, or at least I missed it ☺
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[Bill Davis] “Since Apple spends effectively ZERO to fund or promote that – you might ask why this has happened. “
BTW – did you type that with a straight face? You know quite well that Apple promotes through the halo effect. I wonder how many gazillions they dropped for the Rock+Siri spots.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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I’ll just ask how many paid banner ads you’ve seen in THIS space promoting Adobe NLE products – verses how many you see ANYWHERE for Apple NLE solutions.
I think that pretty much tells the story.
I guess it would be interesting to see what would happen if Apple decided to spend a few million in pocket change to wrap the LVCC in huge banner ads next year at NAB — ala what Adobe did a few years back.
I know I’d sure be curious to see what kind of impact that might have on X adoption within the professional ranks.
Particularly if whatever Phil Schiller announced about the MacPro reboot ships near to or before that.
Of course, I personally can’t imagine that happening – but it sure would be fun to see the effect.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.
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