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[Robin S. Kurz] “And again, not nearly all new features etc. are listed. Not even close.
“Care to enlighten us then Robin? Would love to know if Apple have added more features that aren’t on that list, just in case I’m not using them.
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Sorry if I’m not about to go through all of the 241 LISTED features just to figure out which others aren’t in fact listed, just to satisfy the “Mine is bigger than yours” fraction. I’m pretty sure everyone actually using X on a daily basis has found a plethora of them on their own. Certainly countless amounts along the magnitude of “Added back button”.
But then I don’t measure software quality or usability by a feature list i.e. PR-savyness either way. So sorry for not keeping score.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “I’m pretty sure everyone actually using X on a daily basis has found a plethora of them on their own. Certainly countless amounts along the magnitude of “Added back button”. “
Robin, I use X on a daily basis and have been since launch, I’ve edited hundreds of projects on it including corporates, documentary, event, short films and even a feature on it so I’m just intrigued by your claim of these undocumented features.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “But even so, there are 241 *listed* features”
Oh, and just a minor side-note as far as the “gotcha!” point is concerned…
[Dennis Radeke] “Just counting from CC […] I can casually add up about 200 items that don’t include all of the small features”
An interesting claim, since I’m curious to know how that works out. Seeing that I can only conjure up 187 bullet-points i.e. new features since CC from that page. Casually or not. And yes, that’s including several points I think anyone would consider small features.
So if I’m to take that as the ultimate demonstration for superior quality/usability or whatever else between two apps… oops. Then I guess in this case X is roughly 30% better! 😀
But, I fortunately prefer to judge a tool by its practical merits in the context of my personal needs, not by the power of the PR-machine behind it or even by what the most belligerent ones screaming the loudest say is THE thing to use. So even switching the (utterly meaningless) numbers and multiplying them wouldn’t change squat for me. I guess I’m just weird that way.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “or even by what the most belligerent ones screaming the loudest say is THE thing to use”
Ha!
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Huh? So how exactly do “continuing improvements” not apply to any and every other NLE on the market… only in most cases WITHOUT the monthly expense?? Apparently you missed the fact that the software I paid for ONCE over four years ago has had over FIFTEEN updates for naught ever since? Never mind that that figures out to roughly six bucks a month (and getting less by the day).”
I think it’s safe to say that Robin’s original argument still stands. FCP X users have had hundreds of new features added at no additional cost. In fact, I stopped editing for about 6 months this year while I worked on another project that didn’t involve editing and so by not being a CC subscriber, I saved myself $300 because I didn’t have to pay for a subscription that I wasn’t using. For me, that makes FCP X way more economical than CC will ever be and I didn’t have to sacrifice continuous improvements to get it.
So…
Cost to own FCP X for 4 years = $300.
Cost to own Adobe CC for 4 years = $2,400.
Savings of $2,100 … Priceless! 😀
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[John Rofrano] “For me, that makes FCP X way more economical than CC will ever be and I didn’t have to sacrifice continuous improvements to get it.
“I don’t think anyone has argued that PPro CC is better value as an NLE than FCPX and no-one is saying that FCPX is not being developed, it’s the pace of development that is under discussion at the moment.
We could move it on a bit by talking about how FCPX has a fantastic amount of third party plugins available that could be viewed as a type of “feature enhancements” and even if you pay for these, the cost is still less than PPro?
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[Steve Connor] “it’s the pace of development that is under discussion at the moment.”
What about it? X’s updates have come at an average of three, at the very most four months apart. Some of the most recent PPro updates have been up to SIX months apart (not that I actually care either way or even think that THAT is some sort of yardstick of overall quality etc. either, just another justification fallacy). So… I’m not sure in who’s favor you think you are arguing. All I can say is, that if my bank account were being hit on a monthly basis, that’s just about the cycle I would expect between updates, too. So I guess it’s all relative.
[Steve Connor] “FCPX has a fantastic amount of third party plugins available that could be viewed as a type of “feature enhancements” and even if you pay for these, the cost is still less than PPro?”
You tell me. What is it you need above and beyond what X offers by default? Then you know the answer. But you sure would have to buy A LOT of additional stuff to get to the aforementioned price tag, yes. And you obviously have to differentiate between actual, continuous NEED (e.g. X2Pro) and simple effects and/or templates. In which case you can mark up about an additional $200 on my end. And those altogether 500 bucks wouldn’t even get you a year of CC, for what it’s worth, as they say.
– RK
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I know it’s one of those tedious “opportunity costs” things that only accountants get shivers thinking about – but basically by choosing X 4 years ago, I can now basically choose a brand new nicly loaded MacBook Pro or maybe half off a nice C-100 or a Ursa Mini as my bonus gift with the money I would have dripped away on my software subscription over the same period. And it’s kinda hard to see how choosing what is in the subscription package would have earned me one extra dime toward the difference in the same period. YMMV.
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[Bill Davis] “And it’s kinda hard to see how choosing what is in the subscription package would have earned me one extra dime toward the difference in the same period. YMMV.”
That’s obvious, if you don’t actually NEED then it could be seen as a waste of money. I get thrown AE or PPro projects to work on so I do NEED it, but then it’s billed for and it recoups the cost.
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