Apple and Adobe Software: Together

[Steve Connor]

[Jason Jenkins] “Sometimes when reading this forum it’s starts feeling like an either/or proposition. I say have it all together in one big happy family!
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I agree 100%,

[John Davidson]

We use AE, PS, IL, FCPX, Motion and Compressor heavily. Lately our Art Director has just been building heavy graphics in AE, then publishing them to Motion as Generators with editable text so editors can change titles on the fly.

The new Trapcode Suite 13 will probably drag me back into AE for some playtime soon. I like all the toys. There’s always room for improvement.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.

[Larry Watts]

Yes, I use them all!

My preferred editor is FCPX, but I also us Audition since I’ve used it since it was called Cool Edit.

I use after effects since I owned it when it was called COSA After Effects, but I love Motion.

I’m fixing some audio for another producer whose project is in Premiere, so it helps to keep up to speed on it. It’s amazing how similar Premiere is to Sony Vegas which I like very much except I’m a mac shop.

Apple tends to be more intuitive, but I can learn Adobe too!

Larry

[Andrew Kimery]

In the past 10 days I have hopped between three different jobs on three different NLEs (FCP 7, PPro, Avid). Haven’t done anything beyond basic poking around in X due to being busy and the lack of demand for editors that know X in my neck of the woods.

[Charlie Austin]

I jump between X (preferred), Premiere (second choice) and FCP 7 (please die) all the time. I’ll often keep X and Pr open (same media) at the same time when in Pr, as it’s quicker to audition Sound FX and find shots in X and go right to what i need in Pr. Honestly, FCP X is the best Premiere accessory you can buy. 🙂

I also own MC 8 and Resolve 12 though I don’t use ’em much. I’ve got Hit Film, and Lightworks too but I haven’t touched ’em in a long time.

No other CC stuff, I use Motion a little to make templates/generators for X and Logic for some sound design. Any Photo stuff I do in Pixelmator or Affinity and, believe it or not, Photos in El Cap with various extensions. 🙂

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[Bret Williams]

That was my experience before Adobe went rental. I’ve been using AE since 1996 and my distaste for the subscription model is so that it sent me looking for other solutions to AI (easy) PS (not as easy) and AE (most difficult). Motion is a great app and in many ways superior, and in many other ways inferior. It’s a wash. But in a wash with an important app like that the tie goes to the market leader AE just because they have an enormous user base and support base. That said, the Motion user base, which was previously next to nil, has increased probably 100 fold since CC.

Everybody wants $10, $20, $50 a month from me. Apple Music, cable, phone, etc. and it’s annoying. I was a Master Collection owner of CS5 so my qualm isn’t so much about the cost. I rented CS6 for half price. Yep early subscription adopter. But THAT was when there was also a purchase option. The $25/mo was cheaper for sure. I figured I might go back to discs in the future. Then with CC they eliminated that option and I felt FORCED to rent for another year at $50 a month. At that point I upped my motion skills and bought PS and AI replacements. I quickly learned and realized if I didn’t I’d be forced into the next CC to open my previous CC projects and so on. I don’t like that feeling. So, I now try to use Adobe sparingly. Paying for it only when a project requires it.

BUT I don’t know how long that can last. Adobe is so entrenched and so much the Microsoft Word of photo/video that it’s getting harder and harder to avoid. That’s even more true for larger companies and facilities. And that frustrates me even more. And so on…

[John Rofrano]

[Jason Jenkins] “Sometimes when reading this forum it’s starts feeling like an either/or proposition.”

That’s what Adobe has turned it into isn’t it? It’s not about the tools. It’s about whether you can agree to pay a monthly subscription fee or risk that your tools will stop working completely. I won’t put myself in that position so while I purchased Adobe CS4, CS5, CS5.5 and CS6. Adobe won’t get another penny out of me because there is no way to opt out of their subscription model and still be able to edit old projects.

I now use Final Cut Pro X for NLE, Motion for compositing, Sound Forge for audio editing, Affinity Photo for image editing, and Affinity Design for vector graphics. I have no need of any Adobe products anymore and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether the tools are good or bad; I just can’t agree to their business model.

~jr

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[Andrew Kimery]

[John Rofrano] “That’s what Adobe has turned it into isn’t it? It’s not about the tools. It’s about whether you can agree to pay a monthly subscription fee or risk that your tools will stop working completely.”

I don’t think it’s really any different than deciding that Company X’s software is overprice for what you get so you don’t buy it, or you disagree with Company Y’s business practices so you don’t do business with them. I mean, I know people that avoid Windows because they are still mad that MS ‘stole’ the GUI concept from Apple (whom of course ‘stole’ it from Xerox), and people that still avoid Avid because of bad customer relations from nearly a decade ago. The decisions have little to do with the products themselves but a lot to do with the company behind the products.

[Jason Jenkins]

[John Rofrano] “It’s about whether you can agree to pay a monthly subscription fee or risk that your tools will stop working completely.”

That’s not a risk; it’s a fact. If you stop paying, you don’t have access to the software. You pay again and you get it back. It’s your call if you don’t think it’s worth the money, but I don’t think it’s any riskier than using any other software.

Jason Jenkins
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[Bill Davis]

I might gently disagree with this. I didn’t know it at the time, but I “stopped paying” for FCP X 4 years ago. Say in two years they want me to pay again. (Doubtful, but let’s imagine so.) And I elect to refuse. If I then want or need to go back and revise a FCP X Project from this year, even tho I stopped paying under price protest – all my work is still mine and fully accessible for me to revise and manipulate at will. In the subscription model, my access ends unless I start paying again. Worse than that – If some company next year invents OmniEdit Extreme that I get excited about – Apple has to compete for my loyalty strictly on merit. I can leave X l on my computer and keep all my historic work live and intact forever. Under Adobes system, to make that move I have to abandon all my historic file access or keep paying for software I no longer use to access my own archive. I’d say that’s a significant difference. Adobe has structured the carrot of continued access to my own work as an incentive on par with program improvement to make me keep paying. That was not required nor necessary. It was the executive suite putting their emphasis on profits over not just customer satisfaction, but over what I feel should be the customers intellectual property right to perpetually control their own creations. Not a business strategy worthy of my support. That’s all.

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