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Anyone like the color board?
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[Jeremy Garchow] ”
Now, imagine that the iPad or “tactileless” control surface could also be a “mouse” pad. By hitting a modifier (corner of the screen, edge of the screen, something really easy to hit) and dragging your finger, this now puts your iPad in mouse mode. You can then select a part of the interface to change (say, lift, gamma, gain, or chroma, or whatever) and divides your iPad in to the appropriate sections.”Great idea. I could definitely see how that would work – and I think would probably get round a lot of the problems. Now all you have to do is patent it and hope that nobody else reads these forums 😉
Actually I think Graeme Nattress had a really great idea with his very elegant Chromagic plug-in for the FCP7:
https://www.nattress.com/Chromagic/Chromagic.htm
I think there are probably some very clever ways of addressing these issues that will definitely minimize the limitations – I’m not convinced the limitations will quite go away.
I think as human beings we fundamentally like tactile response from our environment and our tools – it’s what gives us a feeling of control, ballistics, rhythm, torque, muscle memory, response times, it all speaks to something pretty inate in us and we know when these things don’t feel right in our hands. I can’t help feeling that that’s what’s the missing component from the iPad as controller concept.
I think it’s a very interesting area though.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I think as human beings we fundamentally like tactile response from our environment and our tools – it’s what gives us a feeling of control, ballistics, rhythm, torque, muscle memory, response times, it all speaks to something pretty inate in us and we know when these things don’t feel right in our hands. I can’t help feeling that that’s what’s the missing component from the iPad as controller concept.”
Absolutely. I totally agree.
The technology isn’t there. Once we can get formable electronic surfaces, then the computer touch surface is truly mature. I think someone mentioned something like this on the cow at one point a long time ago. If you could get a “cover” that resembled what a mixing board, or Wave felt like to go over your iPad giving you a bit of tactile feedback but allowing the electronic control, then you might have something.
Although the latest generation will grow up controlling electronics with little to no tactile feedback. I wonder what they will think? Sorry, I think I have participated in derailing a thread again.
The color board. It’s useable. Tip your bartenders.
Jeremy
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I think as human beings we fundamentally like tactile response from our environment and our tools”
That’s why the iPad 10 will have technology that uses electomagnetic force to mimic buttons and ridges, effectively tricking our sense of touch on a flat surface.
….patent pending. 🙂
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Once we can get formable electronic surfaces, then the computer touch surface is truly mature.”
I was actually thinking of that as a solution but felt it would sound too Luddite to mention it – if you’re putting back the tactile component, why did you abandon it in the first place?
Very interesting stuff, thanks for the derailment.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Andy Neil] “That’s why the iPad 10 will have technology that uses electomagnetic force to mimic buttons and ridges, effectively tricking our sense of touch on a flat surface.”
Now that I want to see – brilliant idea 🙂
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] ” if you’re putting back the tactile component, why did you abandon it in the first place?”
Excellent question. It allows one device to be multiple control surfaces. In our examples, an iPad could control a color surface, it could also be an audio mixer, and it could also be made to feel like a piece of paper or wood when sketching. It allows the digitization of analog or physical devices without losing the human touch. I am sure there are much smarter people than me that will think of more brilliant reasons, but it’s one device, multiple uses.
Jeremy
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[Jeremy Garchow] “it’s one device, multiple uses”
I appreciate that part of it – and it’s already shown itself to be very cost-effective in this regard, but is cost-effectiveness really the best way of looking at this?
My feeling is there is a faulty argument that goes: the iPad can function as a controller; the iPad is cool and feels like the future; therefore the iPad is the controller of the future. I think there are loads of missing steps in this argument that are not really being explored …
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “but is cost-effectiveness really the best way of looking at this?”
That’s how my clients look at most of the jobs coming in the door lately. “How much is this going to cost?” 🙂
If money were no object, then no, cost has nothing to do with it and we’d all have non portable dedicated controllers everywhere we went.
[Simon Ubsdell] “I think there are loads of missing steps in this argument that are not really being explored …”
Surely. Like what?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Surely. Like what?”
I guess you’re being facetious here, but really what’s so special about the iPad??????
I hope it’s not the best technology available as it’s really only a product that lucked into wide usability because of the ingenuity of zillions of third parties – you gotta hand it to Apple they’ve got that part of the equation perfectly worked out.
I really hope there are lots of products that are just about to be released that make the whole touch screen revolution much more plausible – I can’t help feeling that next year or the year after we’ll look back on the iPad and think it was pretty lame overall. If not, then the world is less full of clever people than I always thought it was 😉
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I guess you’re being facetious here, but really what’s so special about the iPad?????? “
No, I was just curious about what you might think the “loads of missing steps” from your last comment were. It’s a great point, I was just trying to get more out of it! :0)
I was just using the iPad as an example. It could be any touch surface from any company.
[Simon Ubsdell] “you gotta hand it to Apple they’ve got that part of the equation perfectly worked out.”
I pretty much totally agree, and I think that this approach to FCPX is what we are seeing now. Apple builds the infrastructure and platform, 3rd parties add the spring board.
[Simon Ubsdell] “I really hope there are lots of products that are just about to be released that make the whole touch screen revolution much more plausible – I can’t help feeling that next year or the year after we’ll look back on the iPad and think it was pretty lame overall. If not, then the world is less full of clever people than I always thought it was ;-)”
Well, using current technology what smooth touch surface would out-do a smooth touch surface? Are you taking about the operating system? What else more do you want to see? Bigger, better, faster? I am genuinely curious, I am not attacking or being facetious. I like hearing these kinds of ideas.
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