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Annoyed with JVC/FCP import problem; will they ever fix this?
Annoyed with JVC import problem; will they ever fix this?
I’ve shot footage on JVC GY-HD111E in the UK in 720p/25p PAL mode.
I’m trying to import lots of short clips (average 10 seconds) into Final Cut Pro (latest version with 720p/25p support) with a new Mac Pro maxed out with ram and 3 extra internal HDs.
Problem is, on a scene-break i.e. pause/stop, Final Cut detects this and creates a new clip, but it takes about 5 seconds to ‘searching for media” before it starts the new clip. Because some clips are only very short, this 5 second delay sometimes means I only get the final few frames of a clip, rather than the entire 5 seconds or so of it.
JVC UK are blaming Apple and are saying it is up to them to fix it as Premiere and Edius does not have this problem.
However, Symbiosis in the UK (who do HD-Connect box) say that the JVC ProHD cameras do not wrap the shots up properly at the end, they are kind of left open and this creates problems on scene-breaks.
I’ve tried turning off the “create new clip on timecode break” etc, but it does not make any difference, when I do this it simply quits capturing on a scene break. Besides I have about 300 cutaways like this and I don’t want to spend the rest of the year breaking them up on the timeline as this would be a futile and long workflow.
I’m importing and working on a native HDV 720p/25p timeline and this is the way I want to work. I’ve already imported and edited 4 hours of footage, but these 4 hours were easy as all 4 tapes had no start/stop points, they were recorded continuously from beginning to end of tape for 64 minutes each time so importing was no problem; 1 clip per tape.
But now I’ve come to my 5 tapes containing hundreds of cutaways I’m kind of screwed and need some advise on how I can import them natively in HDV without losing this 5 seconds off the beginning of each clip whilst FCP searches for the media each time.
Is it a JVC issue or a FCP issue, any ideas how I can get around this?
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[iManvideo] “Is it a JVC issue or a FCP issue, any ideas how I can get around this?”
From what I can tell, we don’t get this issue with the Sony HDV cameras / decks. On Start Stop Detect, it’s completely seamless and I get the entire clip.
If I simply hit Capture Now and a second shot appears while I’m capturing, FCP immediately creates a second clip, but the capture never stops. When I’m all done I have the entire clip of both shots.
So I would say this is a JVC issue.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Walter, JVC say this does not happen with Premiere and Edius and other systems, just FCP?
Any workaround?
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[iManvideo] “Walter, JVC say this does not happen with Premiere and Edius and other systems, just FCP?
Any workaround?”
Get Premiere or Edius. I don’t use JVC equipment, ever.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Come on Walter, what can I say to that; it is not the kind of responce I would have expected from you. But hey, okay, I’ll throw away my expensive Mac/FCP system and go buy a shit PC with Premiere.
Nice one.
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[iManvideo] “Come on Walter, what can I say to that; it is not the kind of responce I would have expected from you. But hey, okay, I’ll throw away my expensive Mac/FCP system and go buy a shit PC with Premiere.”
Dude, I have no idea what to tell you. JVC says it works with those editing systems. I’ve never owned a JVC product that lasted nearly as long as anything else. I avoid their products because I find them inferior to everything else on the market. That’s my opinion.
The Sony HDV works flawlessly with FCP as far as capture goes and that totally surprised me. I thought it would do like what you said, hit a start / stop, pause for a bit and then start the recapture. But it’s seamless.
So no, don’t get rid of your FCP system, get rid of the JVC camera.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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This JVC gear is history. I’m selling the lot and buying a nice new F350 Sony XDCAM HD camera in Jan. In the meantime I’m a little anoyed that I can’t edit a programme I’ve spent 4 monts filming on these bloody cameras. I could have researched and tested JVC gear before going into a producion; but why should the consumer be responsible for testing and beta testing. JVC and Apple should be the ones to get this gear working so the consumer can buy, shoot and edit.
I won’t be touching JVC gear again. Don’t know about the USA, but in the UK they have always been known as the Junior Video Club, which I’ve since learned.
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[iManvideo] “I won’t be touching JVC gear again. Don’t know about the USA, but in the UK they have always been known as the Junior Video Club, which I’ve since learned.”
I’ve always heard it’s Junk Video Company.
And it’s not just JVC that’s causing headaches. Canon has some proprietary HDV codec that can ONLY be played back off Canon cameras from what I understand. that’s crazy.
Honestly all the a/v manufacturers are to blame for this one because each one claims their equipment is far superior to others because they have the correct “secret sauce.” So that leaves all of us to purchase one of everything in order to make sure we have the most compatibility. Heck did we learn nothing from “Beta vs. VHS” in the consumer market? No because we have Blue Ray vs. HD DVD.
What I’ve found is that Sony and Panasonic play quite well together and as a result, we’ve been focusing just on those two manufacturers, though we prefer Panasonic. A few years ago I would have told you I preferred Sony, but the Panasonic DVCPro HD equipment just kicks serious butt. But the Panny decks play Sony DV / DVCAM tapes and the Sony DV decks can play Panasonic DV material.
Really don’t know what to tell you about this particular project except one thought is to dub all your material over to DVCPro HD and edit that way. Or even to HDCAM if the budget allows.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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How bout dubbing those JVS tapes to Sony HDV tapes and rent a deck for the capture?
Not ideal but it’s a relatively inexpensive workaround.
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Chi-Ho Lee
Film & Video Editor
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[Chi-Ho Lee] ”
How bout dubbing those JVS tapes to Sony HDV tapes and rent a deck for the capture?Not ideal but it’s a relatively inexpensive workaround.”
I would think in theory that should be a lossless transfer via Firewire. Should work.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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I’ve gone back to doing it the proper way i.e. marking in/out points and doing a batch capture. This works fine, only you still lose half a second each end of the clip; probably down to GoPs though.
So you just have to be disciplined and log and capture everything with timecode in/out points then do a batch capture.
I hope Apple/JVC between them fix the Capture Now feature though as this is handy when you only have a few clips to bring in and you know they are all good.
Roll on that new XDCAM HD camera in Jan 😉
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