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  • Animation codec clamping

    Posted by Nicholas Raeburn on April 14, 2006 at 3:25 pm

    When I export from DV timeline using the animation codec it clips off above 100ire in fcp and clamps the signal.
    Is this correct or should I be rendering in RGB rather than YUV for moving to and fro to apps like after effects.

    Cheers
    Nicholas Raeburn
    Organic Productions

    Nicholas Raeburn replied 20 years ago 4 Members · 27 Replies
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  • Nicholas Raeburn

    April 14, 2006 at 3:27 pm

    PS plaese don’t ask me to search the archives beacuse I have, and I still can’t seem to solve the issue.

  • Graeme Nattress

    April 14, 2006 at 6:12 pm

    Your DV is YCbCr, and can contain levels from 0% to ~109%. These values are NOT IRE values though, they’re FCP’s internal system of values. See https://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/video_levels_nattress.html

    FCP always clamps >100% YCbCr values upon RGB export. That’s how it works. I’d try taking the DV direct to AE and see if that gives you any YCbCr to RGB mapping options, or preserves super-whites.

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP

  • Nicholas Raeburn

    April 14, 2006 at 7:04 pm

    So thats how FCP works I did not know if i was doing anything wrong upon export using the animation codec.

    Thanks I read that article however I noticed this

  • Graeme Nattress

    April 14, 2006 at 7:10 pm

    Sounds like it’s time to do an experiment! Please tell me how you get on!

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP

  • Nicholas Raeburn

    April 14, 2006 at 7:44 pm

    Again thankyou for the reply Graham. I can’t test this out know as im on another computer. But will try exporting using YUV and RGB codecs to see the difference (at a guess i would say that FCP is keeping the signal within a 16-235 range on export to animation RGB codec). However this contradicts what your saying in your article that FCP only affects still image import and export and not video rendering (import/export). But i’ll give it a go and report back.

    Cheers

    Nicholas Raeburn
    Organic Productions

  • Graeme Nattress

    April 14, 2006 at 7:47 pm

    I think my article is right, but perhaps I should have made a distinction between RGB video and YCbCr video. I don’t have the time now to investigate further though.

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP

  • Bret Williams

    April 14, 2006 at 7:57 pm

    SuperWhite doesn’t affect rendering. Just things created in FCP. If you’re in super white mode and you create a white slug, it’ll be 110 white to match the possible super whites of your camera footage. Ditto goes with white of your text, white flashes, etc.

    It’s stupid and shouldn’t even be an option. Especially it it’s cutting it off on export.

    Why would you be exporting to the Animation codec? I can’t think of a reason but there must be one.

  • Nicholas Raeburn

    April 14, 2006 at 8:08 pm

    I’m exporting to Animation to preserve alpha channel information and to stop recompression introduced by going back to theDV codec, to export to AE to do compositing work. Any reason I shouldn’t be.

  • Graeme Nattress

    April 14, 2006 at 8:13 pm

    AH, you don’t need to do that. Export DV to AE, export Animation out of AE to go back to FCP!

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP

  • Nicholas Raeburn

    April 14, 2006 at 8:17 pm

    Export DV as a reference movie or recompress?, I thought this would reintroduce compression. I’m sure I can’t preserve alpha channels on keyed subjects this way though.

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