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And the lightbulb goes on…
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[Andrew Kimery] “That’s kinda the point is it not? When people talk about how much faster their process is using FCPX and question why others are still using FCP7 or clunky old, it-came-from-the-90’s Avid MC it’s because of reasons like this. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but in these types of situations FCPX is currently a non-starter is it not?”
You’re correct of course, but everyone in this thread has been talking about their own workflows, not other peoples and none of those workflows have been multi-user.
FCPX is still new and has a long way to go in that area.
Steve Connor
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[Andrew Kimery] “That’s kinda the point is it not? When people talk about how much faster their process is using FCPX and question why others are still using FCP7 or clunky old, it-came-from-the-90’s Avid MC”
I’m getting existentially sartre style tired of people saying that X is a new form of three times the speed fun. that we somehow don’t get. Surely the point is that there are hundreds of thousands of editors who have extensively kicked the tires and walked away. That kind of explains the current scenario.
“Although over the past year the controversy surrounding FCP X has largely died down as the software has improved immensely, most editors still haven’t given it a fair shot and have either stuck with FCP 7, moved to Premiere Pro, or in some rare cases have gone back to Avid.”
https://noamkroll.com/fcp-x-just-got-its-big-break-on-a-100000000-studio-feature-how-will-this-change-the-face-of-post-production/its the not given it a fair shot part that has to stop – a lot of us have extensively tested it. The idea that we should undergo some six month trip into the jungle where we forget every other editing system, all the understood rationale, and emerge from the brush singing FCPX is completely ludicrous.
that was never going to happen.
gigantic numbers of reasoned people, FCP people for god’s sake, from experience, do not agree with it as an editor system.
I’m no great shakes but I personally don’t agree with it.
it is not the fcp of ten years ago in the wings waiting to swoop in. it just isn’t. There isn’t a single bloody job in london for it. And london is heaving with editing jobs across all levels.
the problem is that it is what it is. it is very unlikely that there are the engineering resources available to radically reshape it, and ginormous numbers of editors have near completely written it off. hundred million dollar movie or no.there is no seismic shift coming. it’s too esoteric a system. And it just took them a year to come up with a library container. FCPX relative to any major market share shot its bolt with 10.1
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Andrew Kimery] “As an example, one of the show’s I’m talking about is a multi-editor setup (8-10 editors and a couple of AE’s) sharing media on an ISIS, using a traditional offline/online workflow (finishing is done out of house) and each project contains about 30,000-35,000 pieces of media. No, I’m not exaggerating.”
The new library structure introduced in 10.1 just over a month ago makes that type of collaboration possible. You can make a library that points to that many files. A doc I am working on has over six thousand mixed format files and I am able to pass a library over dropbox to the other editor with no problems. 10.0.9 and older FCP X would slow down if the event had more than two thousand clips. Since bringing the doc over from FCP7, I’ve been able to find clips much faster after tagging everything. The more tagging I do as I go, the easier it is to find what I’m looking for.
I’m going to make a massive library that points to 30K+ clips and see how well it performs.
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Excellent post! I find many things much faster, not to mention easier in the current version. I love the amount of effects packed in here which can save money. Yes, there are some plug-ins that do come in handy but the current version has a nice set.
My only real complaint at the moment is that you can not keyframe color correction which is sometimes necessary. That and the lack of “Send To Motion” command. In reality these complaints are minor in nature. I use Resolve should color correction get complex.
The only thing about Motion is the lack of a parent feature and no expressions. Sure parameters are useful but expressions are much more powerful, not to mention flexible. Then again for the price Motion is a very solid piece of software and really comes in useful. Being able to create a title, lower third or effect saves a huge amount of time.
I find the new project management to be top notch. Bins and stuff would be nice but the current version, at least in my opinion, really has better tools to organize your projects.
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[David Mathis] ”
The only thing about Motion is the lack of a parent feature and no expressions. Sure parameters are useful but expressions are much more powerful, not to mention flexible. Then again for the price Motion is a very solid piece of software and really comes in useful. Being able to create a title, lower third or effect saves a huge amount of time.”I agree with that. This is the main reason I have been using Motion less and less. It used to be so easy! I hope they bring that back. I do like the way you can make your own plugins and bring them back to FCP X, but I’d much rather have the round trip back. It’s the only major advantage CS/CC users still have and it’s easier to get an FCP X project in to AE than Motion.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “FCPX relative to any major market share shot its bolt with 10.1”
I know you would like to think that’s true, but sadly it’s not. It might be years away from broader acceptance but it’s not going to go away any time soon.
Steve Connor
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[Darren Roark] “It’s the only major advantage CS/CC users still have and it’s easier to get an FCP X project in to AE than Motion.”
What is the best way to do this? I remember that there is some application that will handle the task but don’t know what the name of it is. Very interested in it.
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steve honestly – there never was a chance. apple effectively tried to create a crazy editing pyramid in the jungle. that we would all wander off to.
it was never going to happen. X isn’t an entrant to the current market.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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You can use Assisted Editing’s Xto7 and it will make an XML that can be imported into AE. Then in AE, use the File > Import > ProImport Ae menu.
There is also clip exporter that works for basic straight cuts but I haven’t used it in a while.
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Maybe not the market you’re in at the moment Aindreas, but there’s an increasing amount of traffic around the various FCPX forums, which means there is an expanding user base. Might not be TV & Film yet, but it’s definitely selling.
For example, there’s a Facebook FCPX group that has over 2,600 members and is increasing in size every day.
Plus the fact that Adobe seem to have handed Apple a present by bringing in the rental model, I think FCPX is here to stay, so you’ll have to get used to people like the OP telling everyone how fast it is!
Steve Connor
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