And the first major Hollywood feature to be edited in FCPX and released is…

[Robin S. kurz]

The rhetorical “argument” was “software that was purchased and then killed”. I don’t see where video relevant software was in any way specified. But then others have already beat me to that list anyway. With Adobe it’s also a list of various Flash (nearly as a whole), animation or web related products or even most famously apps such as Freehand? Never mind the killing or Premiere on the Mac as a whole for years after OS X came out. With Avid I can’t remember the name of whatever NLE derivative it was (DS, was it?), or the various byproducts, I just remember the (oddly low key) perturbitude when it happened way back when. Add Microsoft and others and you’ll have a lot to scroll through.

But in the end it’s irrelevant either way, since it’s tired, polemic nonsense in any case. Fact is, there is no major or even minor software company worth mentioning that hasn’t killed or “consolidated” products. Or 10. I’d say Apple is, if anything, on the lower end of that hit-list. It’s just another baseless FUD “argument” for anyone who otherwise has nothing of real substance or relevance to bring to the table imho. Btw, to say that FCP was somehow killed with the EOLing of 7, as some like to lament, is the most ridiculous claim of them all along those same lines.

Funny how you don’t hear anyone crying that PPro or Symphony etc. could somehow “easily disappear” in a year or less or that no other users were “burned many times over” considering the actual facts. So much for that “logic”.

And Apple never bought just software (Including FCP itself, as we all know), they bought technology and intellectual property i.e. code that was the software. All or much of which has been passed along into existing or subsequent products to the extent deemed useful. Be it e.g. Color tech into FCP or Shake tech into Motion etc.

Or is the next “argument” going to be that they by that same logic killed various operating systems also, seeing that OS 9 and NeXT were “killed” in favour of OS X? Hardly.

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[Shawn Miller]

[Dennis Radeke] ”
I think Charlie is referring to Premiere Pro’s popularity around 5 years ago, to which I would mostly agree. CS5 was the beginning of the change to where Adobe is today.”

Yeah, I’d worked that one out. 🙂 I was just giving Charlie a bit of a hard time because he said “video apps” instead of Premiere Pro, but I knew what he meant. I think there were a LOT of “us” using Premiere in corporate, event and design work long before CS5 though … so I think it’s fair to say that, yes, even if PPro CSx had been EOL’d, a fair number of folks would have been unhappy. Now if Motion disappeared… would the MoGraph community notice?

See what I did there? That’s for you, Charlie! 🙂

Shawn

[Simon Ubsdell]

[Shawn Miller] “Now if Motion disappeared… would the MoGraph community notice? “

I don’t know about the mograph community – I doubt that anyone at Apple would even notice 😉

Simon Ubsdell
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[Robin S. kurz]

[Shawn Miller] “Now if Motion disappeared… would the MoGraph community notice?”

I don’t know who the “MoGraph community” for you are, but I’m assuming they’re not using Motion as their primary MoGraph app outside of the context of FCP X, no. But the FCP X community sure would notice. As well as FCP itself, since that would bring it’s huge ecosystem in terms of plugins, templates and what not else to a near screeching halt. Hardly anything the FCP team (or the users) would want to see happen, but certainly notice, yes.

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[Charlie Austin]

[Simon Ubsdell] “[Shawn Miller] “Now if Motion disappeared… would the MoGraph community notice? ”

I don’t know about the mograph community – I doubt that anyone at Apple would even notice ;-)”

lol… I bet they would… That actually brings up something I’ve been wondering about for a while. Why does this choice exist:

I honestly don’t know the answer, but my fevered imagination can think of (hope for) some interesting possibilities.

EDIT: The Yosemite markup extension is pretty cool. I just drew a crappy arrow with the track pad and it became what you see above. Complete with a center point to make a curve. Things are getting interesting in OS X land… 🙂

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[Shawn Miller]

[Simon Ubsdell] “[Shawn Miller] “Now if Motion disappeared… would the MoGraph community notice? ”

I don’t know about the mograph community – I doubt that anyone at Apple would even notice ;-)”

Ack!! I hope that’s not true. I’m not a Motion user, but I’m still rooting for it. 🙂

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Robin S. Kurz] “I don’t know who the “MoGraph community” for you are,…”

Folks who mostly design and animate graphics for a living. For a lot of them, editing is a secondary task (hence, the popularity of PPro from the very early days). On the high end, many of them don’t edit at all.

[Robin S. Kurz] “But the FCP X community sure would notice.”

I don’t doubt that at all. Mostly, I was giving Charlie a bit of a ribbing. I’m sure Motion is fantastic, and I really wish it were more popular. I dislike seeing an entire industry (more or less) hang it’s hat on one application or vendor… I would prefer to see stronger competition from a variety developers in this space. 🙂

Shawn

[Charlie Austin]

[Shawn Miller] “I don’t doubt that at all. Mostly, I was giving Charlie a bit of a ribbing.”

Well deserved I might add. 🙂

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

David S Kurtz Need I go through the list from Adobe and Avid, so as to put yours to shame?

Yes, seriously? Have you still not yet caught that utterly tired memes and logical fallacies such as those disqualify you from any discussion above troll-level?

I’m not here – and I’m really really not – bar doffing cap to Franz, but this Robin S Kurtz seems quite the excellent firebrand? Just perfectly knowledgable and quite the pugilist. this forum has endless rowdy piper days ahead of it.

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Timothy Auld]

Sorry, been out of town for a few days but I had to respond to this:

[Robin S. Kurz] “Need I go through the list from Adobe and Avid, so as to put yours to shame?”

I did not have a list so I doubt you could put mine to shame.

And I used FCP 7 for 10 years, I own and use FCPX when it works for me. So the rest of your post is a baseless, personal attack of the sort that any thinking person would be ashamed.

Tim