And sometimes NO editing is necessary.

[Paul Dickin]

[Bill Davis] “…sometimes NO editing is necessary.”
Hmmm. Nice, but no cigar 😉
Quote end credit: “Animator : Seiya Ishii , Nobuyuki Hanabusa”
So a TON of particle generation and motion tracking…

But, as you say, a great dance production 🙂

Edit:
Quote:
“Apparently according to Hanabusa, he does it by projection onto a screen, perfecting alignment with the dancers through repeated practice.”
So the compositing is done before the dancing – 2 pass ‘editing/no editing’ 😉

Lots of other stuff on his YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/papanda87

[Bill Davis]

I didn’t mean that nothing – music, projection, concept were created without editing, but rather that the performance was presented as a cohesive unit rather than an assembly of elements. The sublime tradition of the stage competing and merging with the traditions of broadcast.

Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.

[Shawn Miller]

[Bill Davis] “I didn’t mean that nothing – music, projection, concept were created without editing, but rather that the performance was presented as a cohesive unit rather than an assembly of elements. The sublime tradition of the stage competing and merging with the traditions of broadcast.”

Well, being a fan of dance, live performance and animation, I thought it was very cool. 🙂

Shawn

[Andrew Kimery]

I’m not seeing anything mind blowing about a single, uncut angle of a dance piece but maybe my head’s just not in the appropriate place right now.

But I still feel like contributing so, as anyone seen the movie Timecode? Feature film shot in one take on four HD cameras (each on a different character/story branch) presented in a quad split and they use the audio mix to guide the audience between the frames. Movie itself isn’t very good but the concept is interesting.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0220100/?ref_=nm_knf_i3

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “I keep saying that the universe of video isn’t what it used to be “

Lovely piece, Bill. Thanks for posting.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Phil Hoppes]

I don’t believe there is any motion tracking at all. This is a live performance not a slick editing composition. Watch it again. There are a few slight but noticeable miss-tracks between the dancers and light. Clearly, the animation was done before, I’m guessing in concert with a choreographer. The light animation is complete and the dancers must learn their moves to go in sync with the animation.

IMHO it is quite a stunning work of art. It never ceases to amaze me the imagination of what people can come up with. Truly novel.

Thanks for posting Bill.

[Walter Soyka]

[Phil Hoppes] “I don’t believe there is any motion tracking at all. This is a live performance not a slick editing composition. Watch it again. There are a few slight but noticeable miss-tracks between the dancers and light. Clearly, the animation was done before, I’m guessing in concert with a choreographer. The light animation is complete and the dancers must learn their moves to go in sync with the animation.”

I suspect the reverse is true. I’d suppose that the choreographer had a vision for the dance and the animation — specific requests as to what the visuals for each movement should be.

If I animated this project, I would have wanted motion capture, or at least reference video of the dance to animate over (and I would have used tracking extensively here). To do this from scratch, animation first, you’d have to rig a human body and basically perform all the choreography in animation — no easy task.

As you say, it would be necessary for the dancers to be precise as they repeated the performance, but that is what good dancers do.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Phil Hoppes]

No it is a live performance. There is a link just a few lines below where someone has a link to a similar performance that was done at the TED conference.

https://tinyurl.com/k3azadz

There is even a name for it. It is called Quixotic Fusion.

[Walter Soyka]

[Phil Hoppes] “No it is a live performance. “

I understand that it’s live performance. It’s live dance with projected visuals, not recorded dance with compositing visuals.

I’ve worked on few of these integrated dance/visual pieces myself, and we always pre-produced the animations.

Fr one of the complexity shown here, where points and shapes track the dancers’ movements throughout (much harder than just creating elements that the dancers occasionally interact with), I think the animation follows the dance, not the other way around. For production, I’d want mocap or at least reference video to work from. The slick composition happens up front, then you take away the reference and the projection and scrim handles the “compositing” in real time.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

[Phil Hoppes]

I never said that the animation is live. I do animation for a living. Seeing what is there I believe it has to have been pre-produced but the dancers are doing a live production with the animation projected over. They have obviously worked very hard to learn their moves so to be in sync with the animated overlay. As I said previously, it would not surprise me too that the animation was designed in conjunction with a choreographer.

All that being said we are diverging hugely from the intent of the original post. It is a very beautiful production. Quite artistic and a very nice blend of old school (dance) with new school (light show). For me it has a very nice esthetic quality and is quite engaging.