and finally……

[Gary Huff]

[Charlie Austin] “It is kinda fun, in a masochistic way, to jump around. I’ll cut in X unless I need to collaborate with folks at work who are still hanging on to 7 for dear life.”

Thankfully, in my circles, I haven’t even opened FCP7. I know there is still work being done in it around here, but mostly I either don’t touch the edit at all or I have complete control. So I jump around between X and Premiere CC 2014.

[Alban Egger]

Finally ? What finally? Don ‘t get the point of your post, and AFAIK FCPX has already sold more copies than all FCP versions together.

So what are you saying? That Adobe is sponsoring the cow and Apple doesn’t?

[Alban Egger]

Neil, I have seen student films to be cut on Avid or free, not even 10 bucks. What does that actually say about any NLE or the person using it? You guys just hate on FCPX so much it is not even funny anymore and the arguments are getting really lame.

FCPX is not suitable for a workflow of 2007. we knew that after a week of its existence in 2011. so leave us alone with your 37 months old trashtalk. But for people who built or are building a workflow around it, it works at least as good or hopefully better than the other NLEs (OSX, media management, editing, output-options come into play).

And they charge what they have to and it is none of our concern. I make a lot more with X than I did with FCP or Edius. So maybe you just read the wrong paper.

[Aindreas Gallagher]

give him hell egger. also never let anyone diss your audio dissolve. stand proud you X people.

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Franz Bieberkopf]

[alban egger] “FCPX has already sold more copies than all FCP versions together.”

Alban,

This is false.

There was some marketing spin that might lead you to this conclusion a while back. But the number Apple announced at NAB 2014 was “over a million”. This was lower than generally expected, and behind other NLE numbers currently.

Relevant discussion:

https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/68828

Franz.

[Neil Goodman]

[alban egger] “Neil, I have seen student films to be cut on Avid or free, not even 10 bucks. What does that actually say about any NLE or the person using it? You guys just hate on FCPX so much it is not even funny anymore and the arguments are getting really lame.

FCPX is not suitable for a workflow of 2007. we knew that after a week of its existence in 2011. so leave us alone with your 37 months old trashtalk. But for people who built or are building a workflow around it, it works at least as good or hopefully better than the other NLEs (OSX, media management, editing, output-options come into play).

And they charge what they have to and it is none of our concern. I make a lot more with X than I did with FCP or Edius. So maybe you just read the wrong paper.

“

I didnt say anything negative about FCP X in my post. Not sure where you get off, I was saying i was jealous of people with NLE ambiguity.

I simply mentioned what I’m seeing in LA and so far theres been one FCPX offer for 10 an hour. Sure student films are cut for free but im not a student and I’m making a living off my skillset. In LA, i get rewarded most for being proficient in Avid. I wish i could use PPRO for certain things and I wish i could use FCPX for other things, the fact is…theres noone paying respectable wages for it yet, therefore i have look past it for now.

Im not sure what drives people to get so defensive over a piece of software. Take a chill pill.

[Charlie Austin]

[Neil Goodman] “Im not sure what drives people to get so defensive over a piece of software.”

Aindreas. 😉

…Charlie runs away cackling…

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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Neil Goodman] “I was saying i was jealous of people with NLE ambiguity. “

yes. goes to short skill and application my end. that said – avid good jesus. How? How and how for god’s sake?

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[David Mathis]

No comment. 🙂

I am an avid user of FCP X!

[Marcus Moore]

What spin are you talking about Franz? I’m not sure how anyone could conflate “over 1 million” seats of FCP X for the “2 million” Legacy seats Apple announced had been sold when they debuted FCP X in June 2011.

I suppose technically there could be more buts in seats using FCP X, since technically one shop could have 5-10 people working off one X license (5 is the “letter of the law” but it’s not enforced as far as I know). Anyways, there’s no way to be sure on that so we might as well just go with the number of sales. I’m sure Apple will let us know when they’ve passed Legacy sales- since they made a point of telling us when they’d passed sales of FCP7.

I’m wagering that will happen as early as NAB next year, or certainly by NAB 2016. If they do, that will mean FCP X sold 2 million seats in 4-5 years, while legacy took a decade.

I don’t know how this could be a disappointment to anyone.

And as for overall NLE numbers, I know you and I have been around this course before… 🙂 There’s loads of caveats on numbers from both Adobe and Apple- and I think there’s too large a grey margin for any definitive conclusions.