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  • Amazing desaturation

    Posted by Philippe Orlando on March 23, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Hello,
    I’m editing a narrative using Vegas 7.
    I don’t have a high def screen, so I have hooked up a standard def monitor, a sony PVM-14M4U to do all the color work. I know it’s not ideal, but right now I don’t have 5 grands to spend on a high def monitor. On the CALIBRATED Sony monitor my footage looks great. I know how to calibrate it and it is calibrated.

    But when I burn a DVD and watch it on ANY TV it’s too saturated and really not that great looking.
    What is wrong? Why does it look great on the monitor and not that great on a TV? all of them were big 50″ LCD TV

    Also I’ve found out that I must desaturate A LOT to get a decent footage that doesn’t shout CHEAP VIDEO.

    Already the custom presets I’m using in my Canon XH-A1 makes me acquire footage a tiny bit desaturated. Still I have to desaturate in post! I’m talking about going in Vegas from 1000 or sat, which is the 0 default, to 600! It’s crazy!
    Has anybody experience that before?
    thanks
    Philippe

    Philippe Orlando replied 17 years, 1 month ago 4 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Steve Rhoden

    March 23, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    What software are you using to author your DVD’s?
    And are you rendering your content in the required
    mpeg2 format?

    Steve Rhoden
    (Cow Leader)
    Creative Arts Director and Film Maker.
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  • Mike Kujbida

    March 23, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Philippe, I use a 15″ JVC CRT to do all my colour corrections and it hasn’t let me down yet.
    BTW, I set it up according to the Color Bars and How To Use ’em tutorial which is one of the best ones I’ve found for this procedure.

  • Philippe Orlando

    March 23, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    I’m using DVD architect, since I edit with Vegas.
    OF course I’m rendering to Mpeg 2, that’s mandatory if you’re going to burn a DVD, right? DVD won’t support any other format, correct?
    I’ll check those bars again
    Thanks
    Phil

  • Terry Esslinger

    March 23, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Mike,
    Do you find that CC with the CRT works when your product is viewed on LCD or Plasma?

  • Mike Kujbida

    March 23, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Terry, I take a look at my videos on a 19″ LCD in the edit suite and my 52″ Sony Bravia at home and, other than the expected (minor) limit in a decent black level, it looks fine to me.
    I’ve also had some stuff shown in a movie theatre (through a cheap projector and a good one) and I’m happy (but not ecstatic) with the result.

  • Philippe Orlando

    March 24, 2009 at 1:49 am

    Hi Mike,
    I’m actually wondering if I should color correct differently for DVD and theatre projection? There is an art house where i live and they will project my film from a DVD.
    So from what you said, you were not that satisfied by the look of your piece in a theatre?
    How did you acquire the original footage?
    Thanks
    Phil

  • Mike Kujbida

    March 24, 2009 at 9:25 am

    Phil, most footage I’ve had projected has been shot by me and I take great care and pride in having well-lit scenes with a decent amount of contrast that looks very good on a CRT, especially in a darkened room.
    Having said that, the biggest problem I’ve seen so far is underpowered (around 2,000 lumens) projectors, especially if the room is not as dark as a movie theatre (like a banquet hall, for example).
    The image looks washed out and nowhere close to the way I shot it.
    If I’m able to get a high output (4,000 lumens or more) projector, that makes a lot of difference as the contrast ratio is closer to the way I shot it originally.
    All I can suggest is, if you can, try a test beforehand and see what you think.
    If you’re not happy with the results, go back to the edit suite and alter your final project so that you will be happy (crush blacks, increase saturation, etc.).
    You know, all the things that go against your very nature as a shooter/editor 🙂

  • Philippe Orlando

    March 24, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Mike,
    everything was well lit and we used the same CRT monitor in production that I use now for editing. Everything looks superb on the CRT sony monitor. It’s on people’s TV that it looks like poop.

  • Mike Kujbida

    March 24, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Phil, have you tried looking at colour bars on these “poop” TVs?
    What does a normal TV broadcast look like on these sets?
    I’ve tried watching TV at the house of some friends and the brightness, contrast, etc. have all been so over-adjusted that I can’t watch it 🙁

  • Philippe Orlando

    March 24, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Yes, but when I’m going to print a DVD of my film and distribute it or whatever people are going to watch it on their TV, not on a calibrated TV and even less on a calibrated professional Sony monitor. SO I need to find a compromise.
    P.

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