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David Roth weiss
July 15, 2011 at 5:00 am[Michael Gissing] “Sean, irony would be asking for exactly what FCP X is and then complaining. “Irony” is not asking for an upgrade then complaining when something else is offered.”
Now that’s a great retort. Accurate, ironic in its own right, and to the point.
Touche’ Michael!!!
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Robert Brown
July 15, 2011 at 5:37 am[Sean Thomas] “Remeber FCP 1-2-3-4-5-6-7. Was the first version lacking compared to 2-7? Do you think that X won’t be improved and expanded?
This is a new program just like OS X was to OS 9. Apple is moving forward with technologies it has developed over the past 2-3 years. Obviously the OLD FCP code would not allow “moving forward”.”
Apple to me has proven that they just don’t have the right mindset for the broadcast TV and feature film world. Their into whatever their into at the moment and when they lose interest they lose interest. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them dumb down X instead of make it more advanced. Right now it seems somewhere between pro and prosumer. They’re going to have to go one way or the other.
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Shawn Miller
July 15, 2011 at 5:44 am“I made this somewhat generic statement based on the fact that Apple is a leader and most others follow.”
I guess it depends on how you define the term “leader”…
“Ever heard of Windows??? :-)”
Yes, you’re probably using it now…
Shawn
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Robert Brown
July 15, 2011 at 5:45 amThe funny thing about “copying” comments is that there is a big long history to all of these companies with a small number of players moving from company to company. How could they not copy when the guy who developed Premiere then moved to Apple to work on FCP. It’s a small pond really.
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Sean Thomas
July 15, 2011 at 6:46 amExactly. That’s why I made the statement – it seems logical and that’s how biz works.
What is not logicaly is thinking that companies don’t copy.
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Sean Thomas
July 15, 2011 at 6:48 amOoops – wrong. Never owned a Windoze computer in my life and never will.
Been with Apple since SE30 and gone through about 15 models since then.
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Sean Thomas
July 15, 2011 at 7:04 amI’m just poking at the complainers because I think we will look back on this and see that it all overreacting to a shift in the way we edit.
– When the light bulb was invented – bet the candle people complained.
– When the car was invented – all the buggy people complained.
– When computer based NLE’s were invented – all the cuts only tape based guys complained.
– When FCP X was invented – everyone who couldn’t change or see the future of editing complained.So Apple, one of if not the leaders in computers and software got it wrong and the complainers are right? I don’t think so, doesn’t seem logical.
I would just say – if you’re not ready for FCP X – don’t get it. Just keep using v7. And if you switch you’ll probably be back soon.
It’s funny – Pro Editors want only what they can concieve of. Apple gives them what they can’t imagine and they resist.
APPLE: “We’ve highlighted 50 of the top pro features that allow editors to work faster and with more flexibility than ever before. https://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/pro-features/ ”
I would say there are 50-100 new good things and 10-15 things that are not there yet.
I’ll admit, I love Apple and will follow.
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Robert Brown
July 15, 2011 at 7:49 amThe theory that Apple is just way ahead of the curve and we’re too dumb to realize it just wreaks of the same arrogance of the whole “X” release. Guys who do this for a living should be telling Apple what to do, not the other way around. If you have what you think is a great idea, add it as a feature and see how it goes. Don’t mandate it.
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Sean Thomas
July 15, 2011 at 8:49 amSo what is your 2 year / 5 year / 10 year plan for OS X, FCP X, hardware, etc.?
My point is that we don’t have a clue – yet we complain.
Apple makes the program, the OS, the hardware. Editors can’t even come close to comprehending
the development path – yet they want to dictate development.Arrogance?
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Julian Bowman
July 15, 2011 at 9:29 amWow, the foundations of Sean’s stance/argument are even less stable than Chris’
This also amused:
Sean post 1: It’s amazing to read all of the DRAMA about FCP X. There’s a lot of irony when people complain for years about a FCP upgrade and then they get it …… they complain.
Sean post 2: Remeber FCP 1-2-3-4-5-6-7. Was the first version lacking compared to 2-7? Do you think that X won’t be improved and expanded?
This is a new program just like OS X was to OS 9.
So sweetie, first we’re melodramatic for asking for an upgrade then complaining when it comes, but then we’re melodramatic because we’re complaining about what is lacking in a version 1 bit of software… where this version 1 bit of software is the upgrade we’ve been waiting 3 or 4 years for that you initially said we’d been asking for then complained when it came.
Do you see the flaw there?
Is it an upgrade or is it a version 1? And when you decide do you want to edit your original post. Go on, you can, we won’t tell the other kids in your class.
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