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  • Aliasing and V1U

    Posted by Katie Mims on October 16, 2008 at 4:07 am

    Hi All,

    I know there is TONS of information out there on workflows for the V1U and FCS2, but I’ve read so much of it at this point and heard so many different points of view on what works and what doesn’t that I’m just at a loss now:-(

    I have a project I shot on the Sony HVR-V1U, 24p, Cinema Picture Profile.

    I’m editing with FCS2 6.0.4, on a MacPro 2×3 Dual Core with 4GB memory and a HD Cinema Display.

    I captured in FCS 6.0.4 with these settings:
    Sequence Preset: HDV – 1080i60
    Capture Preset: HDV
    Device Control: HDV Firewire

    I know from looking at my footage (which unfortunately I’ve already edited…don’t ask my why I went ahead and did this, knowing it looked crummy) that these are the wrong settings. The quality in general is terrible, and the aliasing is absolutely HORRIBLE.

    From reading this: https://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sony-hvr-v1-hdr-fx7/107984-24p-capture-comes-fcp-6-02-a.html

    It’s my understanding that the proper workflow is:
    24p/60i on tape: Capture to the 24p Apple Intermediate Codec or Apple ProRes 422 codec, then output to the HVR-V1 camcorder in 24p/60i mode.

    So, I have two questions.
    1. Will the workflow above work properly and give me footage without the aliasing?

    2. Which is best, AIC or ProRes?

    3. Obviously I need to re-capture. Is there a way to do a batch capture only using clips used in my current timeline, so that everything automatically matches to what I’ve edited with the new footage, or do I have to start over from scratch?

    ANY help/advice is much appreciated.

    Katie

    Katie Mims replied 17 years, 6 months ago 3 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Chris Borjis

    October 16, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    I don’t think its possible to capture it wrong over firewire.
    normally if the easy setup doesn’t match the format, it won’t
    capture anything.

    Sounds like you shot 24p not 24p advanced which is a good thing.

    It also sounds like your easy setup or viewer is not setup
    and thats where your aliasing is coming from.

    open one of your captured clips in quicktime. how does it look?
    I bet it looks just fine.

    There really isn’t any point in capturing with apple intermediate codec.
    that was a workaround before fcp actually had solid hdv support built in.

  • Katie Mims

    October 16, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Chris,

    I went back and looked at my footage clips in QuickTime again, just to make sure I was right, but the artifacts are still there. It looks like a combination of interlacing and aliasing.

    I definitely shot in 24p, NOT 24pA. No question there.

    When I click through the frames, I end up with three frames that look good like this: https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2947685254_bf6cdf5085_o.jpg

    And two that look like this: https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2947684240_4b330318ff_o.jpg

    When I look at everything edited in FCS, it looks absolutely horrible. I tried multiple sequence settings, and I can’t seem to find anything that looks right.

    Ideas? What have I done wrong somewhere along the way?

    Thanks,
    Katie

  • Chris Borjis

    October 16, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    3 frames of good, 2 of bad = 3:2 pullup/pulldown

    That would seem to be 24pA footage.

    I wonder if the V1U was the problem. (recording 24p in 24pA)

    Do you have After effects?

    if so, you might bring in a clip of a few seconds and in
    the interpret footage area, tell it to guess the pulldown,
    then render it out.

    that might fix it.

  • Katie Mims

    October 21, 2008 at 12:15 am

    I’ve gone over this issue again and again in the last few days, and can’t seem to solve it.

    When put in the timeline, the 3:2 pulldown is removed properly, but the footage still looks like crap. Even the raw footage is low quality and looks like it has aliasing and pixelation when I look at the clips in QT.

    Can anyone help me?

    If someone can tell me what the best capture settings and workflows have been for them, maybe I can figure out where it is that I went wrong.

  • Mike Kennedy

    October 22, 2008 at 12:38 am

    hey katie,

    is the raw footage OK – if you plug it into a TV monitor direct from camera and view is it all fine? or is it only when it is in Final Cut Pro that these artifacts appear?

  • Katie Mims

    October 22, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Plugged in to an HD TV, the footage looks great. It’s only in Final Cut that the problems occur. The captured footage played in QT looks a little better than it does running through FCP, but not much.

  • Katie Mims

    October 22, 2008 at 4:31 am

    Scratch what I just said. I just looked at more clips on an HD TV, and not all of them look good. Some of them look exactly like this:

    https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/…2a42ab07_o.jpg
    https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3139/…66a704db_o.jpg

    So obviously I had a setting wrong when I was recording. Gain? What?

    I’ve already realized that I should have shot this entire project in 30p, because there is so much motion going on. Is that related to this poor quality I’m getting?

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