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AJA Kona 3 – Mac Pro – PAL Land
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[Rory Hinds] “Do I have to purchase a TriSync for HD reference as the Kona3 doesn’t work on Freerun?
This doesn’t seem right as surely AJA would have mentioned this.”I don’t have trisync on my systems. Just a standard Horita BSG-50 and we don’t have the sparkles. You can pick up a Gen 10 from AJA though very inexpensively which is trilevel.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Or…
Set the Kona to freerun. Set the deck to lock to input video. What do you get now?
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Hi Walter
Yeah I’m looking at getting the AJA trisync as it seems the only way to fix this.
Well actually I’ve just bought a Decklink HD Pro card which I’m sure will solve the problem as this is a software issue for sure.
I have no doubt your not having problems with NTSC or 30/60 in HD as this seems to be a 25i / 50i so will only effect the PAL world.
Will keep you posted on my progress or lack of it 🙂
Rory Hinds
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[Rory Hinds] “I have no doubt your not having problems with NTSC or 30/60 in HD as this seems to be a 25i / 50i so will only effect the PAL world.”
Like I said in my first post, we edit an international series in 1080i/50 PAL and have zero issues with that show. We’ve delivered 6 episodes so far and we’ve never seen any problems related to the frame rate, frame size or PAL in general.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Broadcast and independent productions.All Things Apple Podcast! https://cowcast.creativecow.net/all_things_apple/index.html
Read my blog! https://blogs.creativecow.net/WalterBiscardi
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Rory writes in the original post –
“I also get a frame swopping issue from the Kona3 reference loop. ”REPLY –
perhaps I misinterpreted what was going on here, and I am SO confused by all the posts. I was under the foolish impression from the above sentence that you DO have a PAL Black signal going into your Digi Beta VTR and the Reference Input of your Kona 3, and that your Kona Control Panel is set to EXTERNAL REFERENCE, as is your Digi Beta VTR ? IS THIS CORRECT OR NOT CORRECT.NO ONE SHOULD FURTHER ASSIST YOU until you confirm that you have a PAL Black signal going into your AJA Kona 3 and your Digi Beta VTR. Your Blackmagic HD Pro will also have a Reference input, which will be set in the same manner.
No matter how many post, no matter how many threats, no matter how many smart ass comments, no matter how many complaints that are received about my attitude, it seems that you STILL can’t get people to lock their systems to black reference.
SO RORY, are you locked to PAL black, or not ?
Bob Zelin
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I do have External REF in PAL using a Black and Burst and this has solved the problem in PAL.
I don’t have a TriSync so the problem still there in HD.
Walter you would not have this problem as you using 60Hz and the Kona will using the incoming current to create its sync.
I’m on 50Hz and thus the problem.
Basically AJA need to sort there code out to fix this and its not my VTR, Mac Pro, HDLink or cables.. its down to AJA to fix this.
I now believe if I purchase a Trilevel sync for HD the problem will go away however this should not be necessary if AJA fixed their drives for the Kona3 in a 50Hz environment.
Rory Hinds
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RORY WRITES –
I now believe if I purchase a Trilevel sync for HD the problem will go away however this should not be necessary if AJA fixed their drives for the Kona3 in a 50Hz environmentREPLY –
and now starts my usual rant. Most of you have heard it, over and over and over again. Rory, I DONT GIVE A CRAP IF YOU ARE WORKING IN PAL OR NTSC. EVERY DAMN SYSTEM IN THE ENTIRE WORLD NEEDS TO BE LOCKED TO HOUSE REFERENCE. I don’t care what you have read, I don’t care who you have spoken to. These people are ALL WRONG – even the ones that say “they have been doing it without sync for years”. AJA needs to fix nothing. All hi end Blackmagic products (and everyone elses products) have EXTERNAL REFERENCE INPUTS. All Sony, JVC and Panasonic professional VTR’s have REF Video inputs – NTSC or PAL. YOU MUST HAVE A BLACK GEN to operate – PERIOD. This is NOT A GAME or a challange. Whoever told you that “you dont’ need sync” is a moron. AJA needs to fix nothing.As for trilevel sync, and HD, you DO NOT NEED a tri level sync generator if you are operating at standard 25 frame rate. If you are running at 23.98, then you need tri level sync. In NTSC world, operating at a standard frame rate is called 59.94, and those that do not own a tri level sync generator that work in HD at standard frame rates (59.94) can keep using their good old NTSC black generators without issue, and without a tri level sync generator. If you are in PAL, and you own a standard 25 fps black gen from Horita, Sigma or so many other companies, and you are running at a normal HD frame rate (not 24p or 23.98) you DO NOT need a tri level sync generator.
As has been discussed many times, the new AJA GEN10 for $390 US will generate NTSC and PAL color black, as well as tri level sync at multiple frame rates.
AJA Kona products and Digi Beta VTR’s in the US (NTSC) do not operate properly without External Reference. Let me make this a little more clear and specific. Forget the AJA Kona, forget the Blackmagic products, forget the AVID. Just think about the Sony Digi Beta VTR. The Sony Digi Beta VTR DOES NOT OPERATE PROPERLY BY ITSELF without being locked to a black external reference. This is why the little blue STOP light flashes on the front of the machine. When you go to a trade show, like IBC in Europe, or NAB in the US, you dont’ see the blue STOP lights flashing away in the Sony booth and the Panasonic booth – even thought they are demonstrating their VTRs (and not editing systems) – do you know why ? BECAUSE THEY ARE LOCKED TO A BLACK GENERATOR – for BOTH NTSC and PAL applications. The Servo Motor needs to lock to something to run at the correct speed – it either locks to External Reference or the sync signal on incomming video. It DOES NOT MAGICALLY LOCK to itself.
Rory – this is what is going to happen now. You will use a PAL black generator (or if you feel like spending some money, a tri level sync gen like the GEN10) for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, for as long as you are in this business. The next person that says “why are you using a black generator – you don’t need to do that” – take a frying pan, and HIT THEM OVER THE HEAD WITH IT, and continue working. Your equipment will work, and I will feel better.
And remember, long after AJA and Blackmagic and AVID are all out of business, the NEXT GENERATION of PROFESIONAL video equipment will ALL use this black generator that you purchase. And when you die, your grandchildren will take your valuable PAL black generator, and continue on your legacy.
Bob Zelin
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Hi…I’m in PAL land and we’ve set up Kona LHes and Kona 3s with the AJA HDP converter which goes to an Apple 23inch LCD monitor to work in both SD and HD 1080/50i PAL. The Kona 3 is fed with a standard PAL black burst reference as we’re only working in 25fps.
No sparkles or any of the issues as Rory has reported.
-chrispy
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so why when I feed my Kona3 a Pal Black & Burst I get issues in HD?
I’ve been working for years without using my Black & Burst as my old Decklnk HD card would use REF of Video IN a feature which doesn’t work on Kona3.
Same with my Digibeta VTR which you can set to REF on VIdeo in.
How do you explain the problem I’m having that in PAL its fine now if I give Kona3 Ref in and in HD I get sparkles and issues?
I’m working in 25fps HD.
I’ve just picked up a Decklink HD Pro and will swop it out in my system asap and I’m pretty sure I will not have these issues – you can’t tell me this is not a Kona3 issue
Rory Hinds
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http://www.minefilms.com
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