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AirPlay 5.1 surround
Posted by Jeremy Garchow on August 14, 2013 at 1:27 pmHi.
I’m not quite sure where to put this, so I’ll ask here in the editor’s lounge.
I’ve delivered surround on tape and in ProRes. It’s easy with six stems.
What I am having a hard time doing is delivering a surround file capable of AirPlaying to an AppleTV.
I did a bunch of failed tests yesterday.
After some more “research” it looks like I can use Comprssor to make an h264 airplayable file, and an ac3 5.1 file, then mux them in subler. That will be my testing for today.
Is there a better way?
Telestream wants $400 to add this capability to my Episode license. Not a problem if I did this all the time, but alas, I don’t work with surround all the time.
This isn’t FCPX specific, I am just wondering how to make the proper compressed file for an AirPlayed 5.1 playback.
Thanks!
Jeremy
Jeremy Garchow replied 12 years, 9 months ago 8 Members · 23 Replies -
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Paul Figgiani
August 14, 2013 at 2:31 pmJeremy,
Try this:
Assuming you have an AirPlay compatible H.264 video file with no audio …
Pull your stems into Compressor using the Add Surround Sound Option. Use the AC3 file preset. Use Coding Mode:
3/2 (L,C,R,LS,RS). Enable LFE.
Now have Compressor build the file.
Next use Quicktime 7 to open the H.264 video and the encoded AC3 audio file. Make sure you queue the movie file and the audio file at the beginning. Select the audio file window – from menu:Edit/Select All/Copy.
Now select the movie window – from menu:Edit/Add to Movie
Now check Show Movie Properties from the QT 7 menu. You should see the AC3 audio track with the proper channel routing. Save it out. That should do it …
-paul.
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Jeremy Garchow
August 14, 2013 at 3:19 pmThanks, Paul.
I originally tried that, but got lots of crashing.
After your post, it seems to be working a bit better . 😉
Subler works pretty well, actually, and allows me to mux and x264 and ac3 to m4v.
More testing!
Jeremy
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Don Walker
August 14, 2013 at 3:31 pmWould someone explain what stems are? (I know that in the old days working with 7 and Soundtrack Pro, that the result would be STEMS) but I confess I don’t really know what I’m looking at when I see them.
(A google search first page talked a lot about plants, florists and branches)don walker
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Warren Eig
August 14, 2013 at 3:42 pmStem are the raw surround tracks. There are 6 stems to a 5.1 mix– L, C, R, Lc, Rc, LFE.
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Jeremy Garchow
August 14, 2013 at 3:48 pmA stem is basically an audio channel.
From the audio engineer I get six channels of audio, Left, Right, Center, LFE, Left Surround, and Right Surround. I bring in all 6 tracks and stack them in the order I need.
Those 6 channels then get encoded to 5.1 ac3 (which is just one file with 6 channels).
Another example of stems is when you receive split mixes from an engineer (like Dialogue, Music, Effects) all on separate tracks.
This is opposed to a stereo mix where everything is combined.
When you export a multitrack QT from FCPX using Roles, you are essentially exporting stems. Each Role corresponds to it’s own channel.
Jeremy
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Paul Figgiani
August 14, 2013 at 4:10 pmJeremy,
Cool. I wasn’t aware of Subler. I’ll check it out …
I didn’t have any problems running this through Compressor/QT 7. I also confirmed playback compatibility on my system.
Thanks.
-paul.
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Jeremy Garchow
August 14, 2013 at 4:44 pm[Paul Figgiani] “I also confirmed playback compatibility on my system. “
Thanks, Paul.
Did you Airplay it?
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Paul Figgiani
August 14, 2013 at 5:34 pm[Jeremy] Thanks, Paul. Did you Airplay it?
Yes. Worked as expected with proper channel routing …
-paul.
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Lance Bachelder
August 14, 2013 at 6:39 pmI’ve done these easily in FCPX – just using a 5.1 project and making certain all my roles and audio properties are correct – i.e Dialog set to Center Channel etc. and used the Apple TV 1080p Share with 5.1 – works perfect via Airplay to Apple TV!
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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Jeremy Garchow
August 14, 2013 at 8:09 pm[Lance Bachelder] “I’ve done these easily in FCPX – just using a 5.1 project and making certain all my roles and audio properties are correct – i.e Dialog set to Center Channel etc. and used the Apple TV 1080p Share with 5.1 – works perfect via Airplay to Apple TV!”
When I do this, it says that it is going to create a stereo file in the export dialog like this:
In QT7, I get back a stereo report like this:
I can only get Surround if I choose Master file and change the codec from Source to h264.
When I mux an Ac3 and x264 movie in Subler, it looks like this:
Jeremy
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