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  • AirPlay 5.1 surround

    Posted by Jeremy Garchow on August 14, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Hi.

    I’m not quite sure where to put this, so I’ll ask here in the editor’s lounge.

    I’ve delivered surround on tape and in ProRes. It’s easy with six stems.

    What I am having a hard time doing is delivering a surround file capable of AirPlaying to an AppleTV.

    I did a bunch of failed tests yesterday.

    After some more “research” it looks like I can use Comprssor to make an h264 airplayable file, and an ac3 5.1 file, then mux them in subler. That will be my testing for today.

    Is there a better way?

    Telestream wants $400 to add this capability to my Episode license. Not a problem if I did this all the time, but alas, I don’t work with surround all the time.

    This isn’t FCPX specific, I am just wondering how to make the proper compressed file for an AirPlayed 5.1 playback.

    Thanks!

    Jeremy

    Jeremy Garchow replied 12 years, 9 months ago 8 Members · 23 Replies
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  • Paul Figgiani

    August 14, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Jeremy,

    Try this:

    Assuming you have an AirPlay compatible H.264 video file with no audio …

    Pull your stems into Compressor using the Add Surround Sound Option. Use the AC3 file preset. Use Coding Mode:

    3/2 (L,C,R,LS,RS). Enable LFE.

    Now have Compressor build the file.

    Next use Quicktime 7 to open the H.264 video and the encoded AC3 audio file. Make sure you queue the movie file and the audio file at the beginning. Select the audio file window – from menu:Edit/Select All/Copy.

    Now select the movie window – from menu:Edit/Add to Movie

    Now check Show Movie Properties from the QT 7 menu. You should see the AC3 audio track with the proper channel routing. Save it out. That should do it …

    -paul.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    August 14, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Thanks, Paul.

    I originally tried that, but got lots of crashing.

    After your post, it seems to be working a bit better . 😉

    Subler works pretty well, actually, and allows me to mux and x264 and ac3 to m4v.

    More testing!

    Jeremy

  • Don Walker

    August 14, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Would someone explain what stems are? (I know that in the old days working with 7 and Soundtrack Pro, that the result would be STEMS) but I confess I don’t really know what I’m looking at when I see them.
    (A google search first page talked a lot about plants, florists and branches)

    don walker
    texarkana, texas

    John 3:16

  • Warren Eig

    August 14, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Stem are the raw surround tracks. There are 6 stems to a 5.1 mix– L, C, R, Lc, Rc, LFE.

    Warren Eig
    O 310-470-0905

    email: warren@babyboompictures.com
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    REEL: https://www.babyboompictures.com/BabyBoomPictures/Reels.html

  • Jeremy Garchow

    August 14, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    A stem is basically an audio channel.

    From the audio engineer I get six channels of audio, Left, Right, Center, LFE, Left Surround, and Right Surround. I bring in all 6 tracks and stack them in the order I need.

    Those 6 channels then get encoded to 5.1 ac3 (which is just one file with 6 channels).

    Another example of stems is when you receive split mixes from an engineer (like Dialogue, Music, Effects) all on separate tracks.

    This is opposed to a stereo mix where everything is combined.

    When you export a multitrack QT from FCPX using Roles, you are essentially exporting stems. Each Role corresponds to it’s own channel.

    Jeremy

  • Paul Figgiani

    August 14, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Jeremy,

    Cool. I wasn’t aware of Subler. I’ll check it out …

    I didn’t have any problems running this through Compressor/QT 7. I also confirmed playback compatibility on my system.

    Thanks.

    -paul.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    August 14, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    [Paul Figgiani] “I also confirmed playback compatibility on my system. “

    Thanks, Paul.

    Did you Airplay it?

  • Paul Figgiani

    August 14, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    [Jeremy] Thanks, Paul. Did you Airplay it?

    Yes. Worked as expected with proper channel routing …

    -paul.

  • Lance Bachelder

    August 14, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    I’ve done these easily in FCPX – just using a 5.1 project and making certain all my roles and audio properties are correct – i.e Dialog set to Center Channel etc. and used the Apple TV 1080p Share with 5.1 – works perfect via Airplay to Apple TV!

    Lance Bachelder
    Writer, Editor, Director
    Downtown Long Beach, California
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

  • Jeremy Garchow

    August 14, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    [Lance Bachelder] “I’ve done these easily in FCPX – just using a 5.1 project and making certain all my roles and audio properties are correct – i.e Dialog set to Center Channel etc. and used the Apple TV 1080p Share with 5.1 – works perfect via Airplay to Apple TV!”

    When I do this, it says that it is going to create a stereo file in the export dialog like this:

    In QT7, I get back a stereo report like this:

    I can only get Surround if I choose Master file and change the codec from Source to h264.

    When I mux an Ac3 and x264 movie in Subler, it looks like this:

    Jeremy

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