AG-HVX200 no longer 1080p?

[Noah Kadner]

No way- the CF technique could not be more different than the HVX. It is 24p laid out to 1080 using the exact pulldown method used by the DVX100. Next question.

[Ken Hon]

Noah,

I think Brian might be confusing deinterlacing with pull down. The important thing is that the Sony has interlaced CCDs and has to deinterlace to get progressive (not to mention it does it in some very funky, poorly understood way) and the HVX will have progressive chips from which it can generate a full resolution interlaced image. If delivered as stated, it’s going to be a very cool camera. And I think the Sony is a very cool camera, but the HVX should be really amazing.

Aloha,

Ken

[Brian Deviteri]

Noah,

I’m just trying to clarify the specs that everyone know as of right now. Originally I knew this to be a 16×9 3-chip progressive CCD that was capable of 1080/60i, 1080/24p, 1080/30p and progressive at 720 and 480. I was just checking with everyone to see if this was still the case or not. Since the camera is not really for sale yet (even though you can pre-order it from some retailers), the specs can still change. I was getting really concerned that we weren’t going to get a progressive CCD, but thank you for clarifying this situation.

Brian

[Barry Green]

Consider it clarified: definitely, unquestionably, 1080/24p and 1080/30p and 1080/60i.

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[Lawrence Bansbach]

Panasonic isn’t Sony. Before the release of the FX1 and Z1, Sony said it was considering supporting 24p in those cameras. Because it’s likely that the CCD used in those cameras, which is purportedly incapable of progressive scanning, was designed before these HDV cameras were even demoed, it’s pretty clear that Sony never intended to support 24p. Panasonic, on the other hand, has been forthright about its camera’s specs. The only real exception is the imager, and its possible that several candidates, with different resolutions, have been tested. Panasonic knows that even implying the inclusion of a feature, let alone stating it officially, and then not delivering could be damaging to the success of the product in question. Sure, the specs can still change, but probably only for the better. If anything, Panasonic will overdeliver.

[Graeme Nattress]

I think Panasonic have a better attitude than Sony. At NAB 2004, they showed the FX1, but it was a faked mock-up and so was the footage, but they were saying it was the real thing. It was demoed by an actor. The year, 2005 at NAB, Panasonic showed a mock up of the HVX200, but they said it was a mockup. They didn’t try to pull the wool over our eyes, but instead, the product manager (not played by an actor) answered detailed questions and took informed feedback from potential users. Indeed, a lot of the features seem to come from previous feedback on previous cameras. Panasonic also understand about frame rates. Whereas Sony, after getting the feedback at NAB2004 where everyone I heard giving feedback said “24p”, gave us the abomination that is CF24, Panasonic will give us real 24p at both 720 and 1080 and variable frame rates. Sony have owned the broadcast markets for way too long, and with their current attitude, I’d hope that they’re worried that the new generation of TV and filmmakers will choose products based on their abilities not their brand name.

Graeme

– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

[Toke]

Sony also heard a request about “global” model and fulfilled that.
I still hope that Panny will do the same…

[Graeme Nattress]

Yes, that’s the one thing Sony did get right. I’d forgotten about that. And yes, Panasonic should forget about PAL and NTSC regions and just make global models too. It just makes so much sense to have one worldwide model, as, especially with HD, you don’t need different sized sensors for different regions. But Sony did something else silly – make a deck that’s just a camcorder without the lens, and then charge more for it than the camcorder. I don’t think I can easily forgive them for that.

Graeme

– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

[Nick B]

Sony make cameras like Avid make editing systems they have similar old school attitudes restricting their products while Panasonic are more like Apple in trying to give creative people the best tools they can get for the money with no restrictions.