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AE7.0 Yawning Gap
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2 features I’m absolutely shocked that Adobe hasn’t included are 1394 (firewire) capture/output support…”Do you really want the AE dev team to spend their time creating functionality that most people already have in other apps?
I don’t. Considering development resources are not endless, there’s a ton of things that I prioritize way over capture.
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Oh really?
Window > Four Comp Views
maybe not as elegant as AE7, but it WAS there, don’t say it wasn’t
And to an independant, small shop or sucessful freelancer BOTH Fusion AND AE are financially within reach. (Flame/Flint/Inferno or some other “system”, that is another story.)
So I do think that Fusion is in the same conversation.I don’t mean to get into a pissing match, but stop defending a thin release.
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[Guy] ”
Window > Four Comp Views
maybe not as elegant as AE7, but it WAS there, don’t say it wasn’t”I suggest you try the demo and see if you still feel it’s the same then…
Sure, I can buy both Fusion and AE. But it’s not fair comparing the value for money between them.
The thing is, I’ve been working with 7.0 in production for six months now, and will never go back. The new interface is THAT big a deal.
Maybe the upgrade scheme is unfortunate for a share of the current users. Me, I think paying around 600 dollars for the upgrade to the Production Suite Premium is a pretty good deal, considering I’m getting an extra license for Illustrator with it.
Anyway… I’m really sorry you don’t appreciate my pissing. I’m just trying to explain what I enjoy about the new release – as someone who’s been working with it on a daily basis for a couple of months now.
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” 6.5 was a release for motiongraphics artists, with loads of new effects bundled, text animators etc…
..7.0 seems to focus on improving workflow (I for one work a lot faster in 7 than in 6.5), and control over what you’re doing. ”Well apparently AE *needed* these performance upgrades or Adobe wouldn’t be making this the core focus of the 7.0 release.It’s almost as if the prevailing attitude is* Glad Adobe has finally gotten around to this* more than ” ’bout damn time!”. How long before Adobe made AE “dual processor aware* for OSX. Granted this is an OSX-centric ranlet , but for crying out loud here we are at the cusp of the transition to Intel-based OSX which will be powering whatever new Intel-based workstation hybrids
and Adobe only just got around to this level of performance optimization across the board…. with their market cap and thus financial resources.Now a wholotta resources at Adobe will be trained upon canabalizing what’s useful in the recently acquired Macromedia carcass to see what marketable pelts can be made from it. Meanwhile a lot of digital artists who learned to look at After FX as a kind of Photoshop with a timeline. I’m sure that I’m not alone in the expectation for Adobe *finishng* what they already started by the original decision to include the rudimentary brushengine of PShop and make that animatable in barely more than an elementary level stuck with a still very elementary airbrush footprint.
Bottomline: Well now with the results of this 7.0 release out in the marketplace I can only hope that other digital artists who would love to animate what they can already do deftly wieling atheir digital paintbrush will start lobbying Adobe like a house afire for even just a plug-in release.
Hell I’ll start by getting Adobe’s attention the only way I beleive will have some chance.
” Hey Adobe , I’d *PAY EXtra* for a *TIMELY* relase of a plug-in module that contians *ALL* of the features of the PShop CS2 brushengine and IllustratorCS2 made AE-animatable. Hell , offering a fully loadedd *animatable* brushengine just might encourage the younger generation with an incentive to actually want to learn & practice brush tecnnique rather than producing another wave of cut & paste collage-jockeys.There , I had to get that out.
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[Guy] “Window > Four Comp Views — maybe not as elegant as AE7, but it WAS there, don’t say it wasn’t”
Guy,
Comparing what arguably at best can be described as a convaluted workaround to the elegant interface that Barend aludes to, is not the same thing. If you wish to try to call Barend a liar — which while you haven’t said so directly, the implication is clearly more than there — we will deal with it on our end. We do not allow people to take shots at our leaders like this and so I would ask that you either drop this line of thinking or you may find yourself asked to leave the Cow.
We do not ask that people agree with one another but we do insist that people respect one another.
Best regards,
Ron Lindeboom
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Thought I would chime in here from a software development perspective. An application like AE is extremely rich with all the various things one “could” do. That said, it can also go in a about a million different directions with each new release.
AFTER you have tried out AE 7, go to: https://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html and file feature requests. You may not get a reply, but I can assure you they DO listen. New features of a software product when being designed are usually sketched, discussed, ripped apart, discussed some more, sold to non-believers (within the company), evangelised, villified, discussed even more….then maybe included in a product if there is enough justification.
Guess what? – You are the justification. Filing feature requests will allow software designers to “sell” the idea within a company. Features that have the backing of users almost always get more attention than some “nifty” idea that has never been done before.
Therefore, be quick, concise, objective and provide an absolute reason why you NEED it. Software 101 is: there are “Need” to have features, and “Nice” to have features. More often than not, it is you the user who decides which category a specific feature falls under.
This is how almost all software is made. I have personally gotten about two dozen features added to AE by following this method.
The power is really in your hands, it all depends on how you communicate what you feel is important.
Just my $0.02
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disrespect, never. You guys do a great job on this board. None was intended.
Disagreement, at least in this case, yes.I move on.
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“Do you really want the AE dev team to spend their time creating functionality that most people already have in other apps?”
Yes, I do. The world’s largest software corporation, aka Adobe, can handle something so simple as that, and not force users into purchasing Premiere Pro, or use another NLE. It’s a great feature of combustion and has been there for 2 releases now (soon to be 3). Adobe kind of gave the ability in AE 7, but did it half-a$$ed by creating the new “Capture in Premiere Pro” command. It’s a start, but not where it should be.
Yes, there’s lots of other things I would like to see improved/included. This is but one of them.
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I also believe there are much better things they could add and trouble shoot and spend time on than capture – it did come up a lot in the testing – arguments both ways.
But – if you don’t want to buy an editor just to capture (that’s understandable) just get something like Scenalyzer ($39) – it’s better anyway – i usually use it instead of PPro –
Hope that helps,
// jayse
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Good suggestion. I used to use MotoDV (editDV?) when it came with Cleaner. It was a nifty little utility that could capture and play out the Firewire port. Very useful. It’s dead now.
But I’ve also done it with Windows Media Player, or some such utility on XP. Just gotta find it … it’s in there somewhere …
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