AE competitor

[John Rofrano]

[Ricardo Marty] “I ment boris continum comlete.”

Sorry, I didn’t know what ‘cc’ was.

[Ricardo Marty] “I have never been able to get into the boris interface but this version uses the nle interface.”

While Boris Continuum Complete will not give you 3D Containers and Cameras to do sophisticated motion graphics like RED will, it does give you a lot of capability.

You can judge for yourself from my Boris TV Episodes with Boris Continuum Complete inside of Final Cut Pro X:

Boris TV, Episode 226: Extruded .EPS Basics, Part II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmEyogfWLwA

Boris TV, Episode 222: Extruded Text Basics in FCP X, Part II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S-9mwfTVis

While the motion graphics are basic in those videos, it was all done without the need to leave Final Cut Pro X.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com

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[Ricardo Marty]

So i will need red complete and grafiti mocha and twixter to get close to ae in terms of mg

Thanks
Again
Ricaedo Marty

[Bret Williams]

You’re just referring to sending it a sequence of clips right? Because once you have a sequence of clips as a group, it acts much more like an NLE than AE. Both in functionality and performance. I’d love it in AutoMatic Duck got something together. Still the only way I know of to get a sequence over to Motion from X is via XtoCC and a copy of FCP 7 to send that resulting sequence to Motion. Which results in a Motion 4 project that can be opened in Motion 5 instead. But it’s super quick and doable. Even 7 is on another machine it can be done over ethernet. Seems like someone should be able to duplicate whatever it is that FCP 7 is doing to send that data to a Motion 4 file. That’d be worth something!

I’ve been having to dig back into AE the last few weeks and it’s tough to go back to AE and deal with the performance hit once you’ve gotten used to Motion. In Motion I only miss a few things like the render que, selective motion blur, and being able to put all my comps in one big project. I also miss true nested comps instead of just groups help to clean up a complex project. That said, I’d also like a twirl down group option in AE. In motion I enjoy the 3D text, reflections, particles, replicators, text engine, publishing, rigging, behaviors, clones and drop zones over AE’s counterparts (where applicable).

[Steve Connor]

I love Motion but the sad thing is that Motion probably hasn’t got a future where it’s being developed as anything other than a generator for FCPX.

If only Apple would let Affinity have it, or perhaps the Motion VFX Team 🙂

[Jason Watson]

[Bret Williams] “I’ve been having to dig back into AE the last few weeks and it’s tough to go back to AE and deal with the performance hit once you’ve gotten used to Motion.”

I had a similar albeit opposite experience having to go back to Motion to modify a template after being used to Ae. The performance hit was also similar; I found that Ae CC2015 churned through the somewhat complex project more quickly (and consistently) in comparison. I actually ended up recreating the project in Ae to save time.

I agree that it would be nice to have groups in Ae; when I first started in Ae from Motion it really got to me that it didn’t have them, but now I’d definitely take precomps over groups if I had to choose, which may be related to my particular workflow.

[Bret Williams]

Are you talking render or playback during creation? Rendering can be a mixed bag depending on what you’re doing as each as their strengths. But aren’t many rendering their 2015CC projects with 2014 since 2015 isn’t even multi processor aware? I’m working with a template that is insanely huge with multiple puppet tool characters and tons of animated shapes and expressions. 2015 just couldn’t even deal with it. I’m having to use 2014.

[John Rofrano]

[Ricardo Marty] “So i will need red complete and grafiti mocha and twixter to get close to ae in terms of mg”

Boris RED includes Graffiti and Continuum Complete functionality so you only need Boris RED. I’m not sure how Twixtor fits in. That’s a retiming tool not Motion Graphics. Actually the latest version of Continuum Complete includes Mocha functionality so I wouldn’t be surprised if the next version of RED has it too.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com

[Jason Watson]

I was more referring to the entire process; for example, in my experience CC15 doesn’t get as bogged down in the UI as Motion does (at least with the project I was working on), which at least for me greatly speeds up the whole process. I found that the playback during creation was faster and more consistent as well; both apps suffer during playback with complex projects, but in my experience Ae plays it back more consistently, whereas with Motion it is sometimes a crap shoot as far as a RAM Preview goes. Could be system quirks, who knows.

I have rendered almost every project with CC2014 since the day CC2015 came out as a part of my workflow, so I guess that doesn’t really figure into it for me. But I do a lot of animated characters and tend to use lots of shapes and expressions as well, and I haven’t yet had CC2015 give me any significant problems.

[Ricardo Marty]

great

thanks

[Bret Williams]

They could’ve given away shake.