“Adobexit”, switching from PPro to FCPX

[Walter Soyka]

[Craig Seeman] “One possible reason for the price difference is that Photoshop is very mature and Adobe had to do lots of work to come up with at least one whiz bang feature to get people to pay for the upgrade. For many, they simply didn’t bother to upgrade because they had no need for the new cheese whiz. So with the low budget subscription the pressure is of but the income is steady. It may be low per person but I’m sure it’s steep in number of subscribers.”

I disagree. Nobody at Adobe acts like “the pressure is off.” On the contrary, the Photoshop team has been pretty busy:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new-cc-2015.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new-cc-2014.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new-cc.html

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Guille Ibanez]

Thanks for sharing the article guys. We’re the original creators of the post at Viva La Zoom.

We were originally firm believers that the Creative Cloud would work for us. After 3/4 years down the line, we felt Adobe broke its original promise: ‘Pay a subscription and we’ll keep on updating the software. We’ll keep it clean, no bugs’

I was never a real user of the old Final Cut as I had always used Windows on our workstations however since we changed over to Apple, it came naturally to test FCPX. The only way I can put it really is that It works.
The real problem with Adobe is that they seem to focus on very silly flashy features like that new ‘Social media publishing panel’ https://blogs.adobe.com/creativeclou…-premiere-pro/
while the bugs that pushed us out of there are still there and as a result of that our productivity gets affected.
At the end of the day, we just want a solid piece of software that helps us get our work done, that’s all we need.

[Craig Seeman]

I guess it depends on where your coming from but for me, those features are precisely my point. There’s always new features to add but fewer and fewer users need them.

There was a strong reason why Adobe was faced with people skipping upgrades. Those reasons still exist IMHO although that doesn’t save one any money these days.

There’s a point in an app’s development where it matures and the additions are mostly refinements. Features come in areas where some specialists need them but generalists don’t. At some point, some of the generalists begin to weigh other factors as they consider moving to the competition.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Guille Ibanez] “Thanks for sharing the article guys. We’re the original creators of the post at Viva La Zoom. “

It was interesting getting a glimpse at your situation as so many people in my neck of the woods are looking at leaving Macs for PCs.

One thing that jumped out at me though (and this is obviously water under the bridge now) is your #4 Pro for X “Keyword folders much better than Adobe bins for organizing” you mention how other NLEs should implement their own version of this, but Adobe already did. In 2013 or 2014 Adobe added the Search Bins feature to Premiere which allows you to create a bin based on a variety of criteria (from keywords to codec to frame rate) and it will auto-populate with all the media that meets the criteria you entered. It’s not as slick as FCP X’s implementation, but it’s still very useful. I’ve run into a lot of long time Premiere users that don’t know about this feature and it’s unfortunate that Adobe didn’t do a better job at marketing it.

[Scott Witthaus]

[Guille Ibanez] “Adobe is that they seem to focus on very silly flashy features like that new ‘Social media publishing panel’ “

Oh god yes. The last thing I need is this bolted on to my export panel. I thought this when I saw this panel previewed at Adobe Max. The CC has gotten so huge (https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/catalog/desktop.html) and diverse yet most of us here really need 3 or 4 of the softwares. If I were a die-hard CC fan, I would be concerned that Adobe is losing it’s focus.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter

[Andrew Kimery]

[Scott Witthaus] ” If I were a die-hard CC fan, I would be concerned that Adobe is losing it’s focus.”

The CS Master Collections weren’t exactly tiny. ????

I didn’t count, but at first blush it looks like most of that software has been in Adobe’s arsenal for around a decade (and longer for things like PS, AE, Premiere, Ai, Acrobat, etc.,), and other than the than Gaming SDK and PhoneGap Build (which I know nothing about) everything seems pretty related to a facet of the creative industry that Adobe’s traditionally been a part of (photography, post production, web design, etc.,).

Craig made a very good point of software maturing and revenue leveling off so what options do a software companies have at that point besides continuing to add things to their existing software and/or releasing new software?

While the Social Media Publishing feature isn’t anything I would use, for people that publish a lot to social media this could be a boon for them. Seems like the next natural step to the share to YT/Vimeo functionality that X launched with. As we’ve talked about a lot in this forum, there is an ever growing number of people that need to edit video on a regular basis as part of their job, but not necessarily on an every day (or even every week) basis and this type of feature is most likely aimed at that market. Though over the past few years I’ve seen a growing number of job ads in LA that hiring editors to cut videos destined for social media.

[Robin S. kurz]

[Steve Connor] “but full screen on the tilde key is something I used a lot so might give it a miss for a bit longer!”

So why not simply open the Command Editor and map it?

[andy patterson] “I myself think the CC should be $14.95 a month for everything.”

I personally wouldn’t care if they even made it $5. Either way, I’m not interested in paying ransom money for my own work and data. Never mind the massive copy-protection mess that does nothing but punish the honest user. Even when I had a legitimate license for CS6 and before, I still only ever used a hacked version after being ****ed over by disappearing “activations” at the worst possible times and needing hours if not days of getting it figured out and back to work.

But then I personally don’t see how anyone that’s on a Mac would not want to use FCP X instead and prefer to pay exponentially more money for no relative functional or performance advantages whatsoever. Quite the opposite in fact. But hey… to each his own, right? ????

Even Affinity Photo and Design have more features many times over than I could ever need for that kind of work. And for the 10% of stuff I can’t do in Motion just as well if not better/faster, I still have AE CS6. So yeah, I’m good. ☺

– RK

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[Steve Connor]

[Robin S. Kurz] “[Steve Connor] “but full screen on the tilde key is something I used a lot so might give it a miss for a bit longer!”

So why not simply open the Command Editor and map it?
“

I was talking about when I use Premiere Pro not FCPX

[Scott Witthaus]

[Andrew Kimery] “While the Social Media Publishing feature isn’t anything I would use, for people that publish a lot to social media this could be a boon for them.”

So make it an option. Or a plug in. And it’s not just a set of presets on the export panel, but also starts sending back data about your posts to your Premiere system. https://www.provideocoalition.com/new-social-publishing-panel-beta-premiere-pro/

No thank you. Focus on a new title tool please. Or the tilde bug.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter

[Andy Patterson]

[Robin S. Kurz] “I personally wouldn’t care if they even made it $5. Either way, I’m not interested in paying ransom money for my own work and data”

Your own work and data? You don’t have to use the storage options of the CC service. I don’t. Having said that even if they had the CS 12.5 Master Collection on DVD for $299.99 and only $49.99 for the upgrades (DVDs) you still wouldn’t buy it because you hate Adobe and I can prove it.

[Robin S. Kurz] “Even when I had a legitimate license for CS6 and before, I still only ever used a hacked version after being ****ed over by disappearing “activations” at the worst possible times and needing hours if not days of getting it figured out and back to work.”

What are you talking about? How would you have disappearing activations that took you hours if not days to get it figured out prior to CC? There was no activation prior to CC. I have both CS 4 and CS 5.5. You don’t even need an internet connection. You only have a product code key/serial number to enter. That is all. There is no activation to dissapear.

I could talk out my arse and I say “I hate FCPX because I was getting ****ed over by disappearing “activations” at the worst possible times and needing hours if not days of getting it figured out and back to work”.

It is not wise to complain about a problem that does not exists. Anyone who has CS 3.0 or even CS 5.5 knows what you stated is pure BS.

Even when we talk about the CC I have not had any activation issues since I joined in May of 2014. You claim you had dissapearing activations even prior to CS 6.0. I say you are talking out your arse because there was no activation to dissapear. Having said that if the CC was only $12.99 or even $14.99 a month I would be OK with it. Adobe offers a lot of good products for graphic design, web design, print production, audio and video and now even 3D.

I do agree with others that Adobe did start to realize they would not always be able to offer huge upgrades like CS 5.0 and CS 6.0 where people really needed the new features so they implemented the CC. I don’t mind the CC paradigm. It is just to expensive at $49.99 a month. Adobe used to offer great products at a great price but not anymore. It would be great if at NAB 2017 they announced the price for the CC would be dropped to $19.99 a month.