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Adobe Premiere (A DISSAPOINTMENT)
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The original footage dictates the rest of the workflow. If the recording was 25fps you need to work in projects with 25fps, the frame rate should be matched too, but there is some flexibility with that, keep to a preset format like PAL DV Standard for your stuff.
If you do convert the original footage then the conversion must stick with the same frame rate. Staying with the same frame size (640×480) as the original is going to maintain the best sharpness of the image.
Adobe Cs4 is a complicated set of tools for trained professionals and can be daunting and frustrating to those that don’t understand the theories of Video and Editing, so hats off to you for asking, providing material and working it out. You’ve in effect experienced more than a course teaches in a month. 😉
– Jon 🙂Jon Barrie
aJBprods
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jon
i do appreciate all your praise
and yes i do have quite a bit of AUDIO experience (being in broadcasting for many years) the video part seems just like an addon to all that, as part of it still is the audio mixing
I will try your suggestions
I will post back
Besides the stutter mistakes can i get your opinion on the vid, i felt i used aDOBE PREMIERE FAIRLY INTUITIVLEY FOR THE FIRST VIDEO!
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ok so here we are
i did find a 30.0 fps on one of the videos (this was taken with a TRIPOD) so no camera shake should be apparent
I set up a sequence for NTSC 29.97 (close enough) and outputted a file, i noticed “some ticks” in it but not as bad as before
i also took the SAME file and converted it using MOV quicktime 4:3 same resolotion and same framerate 29.97 fps
the resulting mov file was MUCH smaller, i added some fx and i outputted another version of an flv file
all settings on two files were identical
Please keep in mind i am only trying to find what WORKLS to make do with what we have, if adobe cannot work with this let me know, i have so much editing to do, i would like to try and stick it out, once i get the “ticks and shakes” to go away i think all will be fine
thanks to everyone who helped and is continuing to help me
the original file outputted after edit is here
https://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=fe481f081fd73cb20f83d91f6dff7c38e04e75f6e8ebb871
the MOV file converted then outputted after edit is here
https://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=fe481f081fd73cb20f83d91f6dff7c38e04e75f6e8ebb871
thoughts!
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ok so here we are
i did find a 30.0 fps on one of the videos (this was taken with a TRIPOD) so no camera shake should be apparent
I set up a sequence for NTSC 29.97 (close enough) and outputted a file, i noticed “some ticks” in it but not as bad as before
i also took the SAME file and converted it using MOV quicktime 4:3 same resolotion and same framerate 29.97 fps
the resulting mov file was MUCH smaller, i added some fx and i outputted another version of an flv file
all settings on two files were identical
Please keep in mind i am only trying to find what WORKLS to make do with what we have, if adobe cannot work with this let me know, i have so much editing to do, i would like to try and stick it out, once i get the “ticks and shakes” to go away i think all will be fine
thanks to everyone who helped and is continuing to help me
the original file outputted after edit is here
https://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=fe481f081fd73cb20f83d91f6dff7c38e04e75f6...
the MOV file converted then outputted after edit is here
https://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=fe481f081fd73cb20f83d91f6dff7c38e04e75f6...
thoughts!
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From the two clips you uploaded the mov converted one looks fine, at the quality of the flv file it looks like how it should.
If you are working with progressive frame rates you should keep working in those. frame rate is crucial – can’t stress that enough.
You can make a custom desktop mode editing preset where you can set the frame size, the frame rate, audio sample rates etc to match the properties of the captured footage. But always convert this type of footage to an editable frame accurate, each frame is a complete self contained frame that doesn’t rely on other frames to work out the compressed chroma/luma information (long GOP – MPEG).
Premiere Elements has the codecs for consumer formats like MPEG-2 and MOD from JVC Everio cameras, etc and works with them better. Only draw back to Elements is that it is only on the PC. But you can use it to convert your footage, it’s not that expensive either.
(the link you provided in last post doesn’t link to it, the first post does though)
– JOn 🙂
Jon Barrie
aJBprods
http://www.jonbarrie.net -
Jon
A crazy thought
couldnt i convert all the footage and RENAME it with the SAME names as adobe already sees,
then open the project (the file we had issues with) in adobe and redirect the path to the footage, this would prevent having to knock out all the work on that vid
crazy i know, but it MIGHT work right, after all its just filenames!
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Jason,
No that is not crazy – actually quite a common process. The problem with it working immediately and not as a one by one file relink case is that the file extension is different, so you may get a warning each time you force a relink.
But that is the way to do it and keep the edits you’ve made.
Just so long as the frame rate is the same as the edited versions and the absolute first and last frames of all the clips are exactly the same = same duration, then it will all come together nicely.
– Jon 😉Jon Barrie
aJBprods
http://www.jonbarrie.net -
jon
i knew it was wishful thinking but i will keep trying tomorrow
what happens now is
i CONVERT ALL files that are used in the project,
then i go to the timeline and click “reveal in project”
then i click “replace footage” to each file
the jitters are going away but so is some of the clips, it will start to play on the timeline with the first clip, but once it gets past the transition to the second that clip starts to play then just gos to black for some reason, i am also noticing diagonal bars showing up wherever i replace the clips on timeline, i have never seen these before
im sure its close, just a few more things to work out, but it looks like this footage conversion may be the ticket after all
thoughts?
jay
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Hiya…
Diagonal bars on a clip or transition in the sequence is an indication that the Clip event on the timeline is of a longer duration than the media file it’s connected to.
Sounds like something is not quite right with the conversion….with regards to the frame rates…where the new sources you are connecting to are too short…
that’s also why things are going black….
you need to compare the original source versus the converted source in the timeline and see if the converted source plays a little too fast…
Alex
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Alex
some of the clips were duplicated in the bins, and they all used the same source file though, also some of the clips had slo mo applied to them
any thoughts
i noticed when a clip had NOTHING (no fx or anything applied to it) it was an even swap (well the jitteryness was gone, but we wanted that 😉
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