Adding pulldown to 1080P footage

[Shane Ross]

Let the hardware do this…the capture card. Kona 3 or such….what are you using?

Software solutions pale in comparison.

Shane

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[Parke Gregg]

I assume you’re suggesting to let the Kona add the pulldown when laying to HDcam. I probably would, but the spots are getting sent off for closed captioning, and the CC company IS using my same hardware setup, Kona 3, but I would rather take any guess work out of getting the settings correct, and deliver the files ready to go. Jeremy has posted in the past about using Compressor to add proper pulldown for 720P footage, and I’m using his advise, but just wanted to make sure it is sound for 1080P as well.

Software solutions pale in comparison.

Remember what is in your dedicated hardware… it’s software. Sure a hardware company’s software may be superior than, say, Apple’s software, but saying “Software solutions pale in comparison” is not an accurate statement. You can say “software solutions are usually slower in comparison”, but they don’t necessary produce lesser quality just because they are software only. (damn, I just hijacked my own thread. If someone wants to continue the hard vs soft discussion, please start a new thread.)

thanks,
Parke

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[Jeremy Garchow]

Hey Parke. Yes, it works in 720p, but not 1080 unfortunately. FCP does a horrible job of adding pulldown to 29.97 fps based formats (NTSC and HD). In 720p since it’s dealing with full frames and not fields, FCP understands what needs to happen much better. With interlaced formats, it’s takes the easy way out and does not do the job very well.

In your case I’d let the Kona add the proper 3:2 pulldown and the way to do it is not really obvious.

That being said, do you have to deliver a file or tape? I’ll tailor the answer to your needs.

Jeremy

[Parke Gregg]

In this particular case, I’m delivering a file to the closed captioning facility that will be laying it to tape (HDcam).

Often, however, I’m the one laying it to tape (via Kona 3), so if you have the time, it would be really helpful to hear both of your workflows.

Thanks,
Parke

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[Jeremy Garchow]

Cool.

Okay, if delivering a file, you can add pulldown using compressor. You export your 23.98 movie (this can be a reference file and doesn’t have to be a self contained), being that in to Compressor and then set the settings to add pulldown.

Adding pulldown with the Kona is super easy. You simply go to the View > Video Playback menu and choose AJA Kona 2 1080i29.97 10bit (or 8bit depending on your finishing codec). If using ProRes, go 10 bit. So, if you have two machines there, you can simply add pulldown to the output of one, and use the other machine to capture the 1080i signal. Once that file is captured, you can send that to the caption house. If you have only one machine, you can also lay off to tape @ 1080i, then recapture 1080i and send to caption.

If you want to use a file based solution, you must use compressor. I can help with settings if you need it.

Jeremy

[Parke Gregg]

I think I got it, thanks.

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[Jeremy Garchow]

Be careful with compressor, it works, but you have to set it up properly.

Jeremy

[Mark Spano]

Jeremy, if you could, let me know. I asked about non-hardware solutions for adding pulldown in another thread, but it seems to have died out before I could get anywhere with it. Thanks.

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Mark Spano] ” I asked about non-hardware solutions for adding pulldown in another thread, but it seems to have died out before I could get anywhere with it. Thanks. “

Where’s that thread?

[Mark Spano]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Where’s that thread?”

Here: https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/8/1032790

In my small world, even I have encountered this issue, so I know it’s happening and it’ll probably become more and more a standard (mastering at 23.976, delivering for broadcast at 29.97).