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  • Adding handles makes media go out of sync.

    Posted by Kai Whittaker on March 22, 2006 at 2:57 pm

    Hi.

    I’m working on a series of 20 videos in HD 1080i60. I upconverted sequences from the offline res I was working in, deleted the offline media, all the while having NUMEROUS PROBLEMS with the media manager.. Now I’ve digitised all of the new media with 10 frame handles, and ALL OF MY CLIPS ARE OUT OF SYNC with the audio that came back from the studio…

    The problem is that each clip is out of sync by 10 FRAMES. When I slide each clip around I found that there are 20 FRAMES of handle after the clip and none before. Which means that FINAL CUT took 10 frame handles at both ends, and then subsequently ROLLED all of the clips 10 frames forward on the timeline. I”m cursing this program right now and I’d really appreciate some help. Apple won;t support issues after initial installation even if it’s a problem with the program.

    I’m starting to regret buying my 2 final cut pro HD systems.

    Any ideas? I have a Digibeta deck arriving in 3 days to output, which costs $1600 a day to rent, and I’ll have to keep it for 3 extra days (the time it will take to fix the problems in ALL 20 TIMELINES)…

    Help!

    Sorry for the ranting nature of my post, I just wish this software would work when it comes to crunch time. And it’s not.

    Kai Whittaker replied 20 years, 1 month ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Kai Whittaker

    March 22, 2006 at 8:08 pm

    Guess What!

    I figured it out.

    BEWARE!!!

    If you are onlining and you use the media manager to convert youir sequencves to offline sequences.. NEVER CHANGE THE NUMBER OF HANDLE FRAMES between the media manager and the capture tool.

    The media manager WILL let you convert you sequences ot offlines, duplicating asll used media, with NO HANDLES.. But if you decide later to add handles using the CAPTURE TOOL… This is what will happen: Your media will be out of sync by the number of frames you add in the capture tool.

    I paid for a single incident with an apple tech who wouldn’t tell me where it was in the manual, and refused to let me speak to another tech.. Then he hung up on me when i asked to speak to the manager. He told me – “You should change your workfow”, and “Nobody ever changes shots or adds more media during online”.

    This is a serious flaw in the software so be careful if you ever do what I did… ALWAYS make sure you have handles in the media manager when making offline sequences, and use the same number in your capture tool when you online. Don;t ask me where the logic comes from, A FCPHD Pro support tech told me I was wrong to think that the capture tool should behave the same way in offline as in online. He said… “That’s how the software works.”

    Watch out for arrogant Apple techs, I though for a second i had been accidentally rerouted to Dell support or something..

    HAHA.

    Thanks for reading my rant,

    Kai

  • Steven Gonzales

    March 22, 2006 at 9:09 pm

    I’ve seen this before, when a student lost a bunch of media he had batch captured in one large chunk. We tried to batch capture again, and of course didn’t know what the start frame was. Every shot was off by the amount we missed on the batch capture start frame.

    It seems to show that final cut pro keeps track of the the frame’s offset from the start of the quicktime file. So if you create a new file, and it has a different start frame, that offset won’t match any more.

    I don’t know that this is a flaw. It would be pretty difficult to have the program recreate every offset in every sequence when a recapture added handles.

  • Kai Whittaker

    March 23, 2006 at 3:13 pm

    I still think it’s s serious flaw.

    The information for the ‘in’ and ‘out’ timecode should be in the database inside the project file – relative to your sequence. FCPHD should always be able to tell where the original inpoint of the clip was. Based on A. The amount of handle added during the media manage, and B. The amount of handle added during recapture.

    I solved the problem by doing a second media manage of my original sequences, and adding the same number of frames I had added in the recapture process. I really don;t think editors should be obliged to ALWAYS use the same numbers.. What if you show some commercial logo in the last second of your shot that would ghet your broadcaster sued? In FCP you’ll have to man ually re-edit the shot if you add more handles in the recapture process than you did in media manager.. It should just wokr based on the timecode!

    Then again I learned how to use an AVID Media Composer before I ever used final cut pro, you can;t really compare the two in terms of stability. After using both for the last few years, I agree with Ken Stone.. The media manager has A LOT to learn.

    Kai

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