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  • adding flags to a Panasonic 1200 deck for reverse telecine in post?

    Posted by Xstimux on August 13, 2006 at 12:44 am

    I am doing a telecine of some 16mm film. We are dumping it as 720p DVCPRO HD with a rented Panasonic 1200 deck. I did this last time and everything looks great except I had major issues turning my 59.94 source material to 23.98 material [reverse telecine] in post. Is there a settingt on the 1200 deck to tell it to flag the frames as they do with the varicam so I can do a really easy frame excraction within Final Cut Pro or Cinema Tools? Hit me back with any info if you got it … thanks!!!

  • 6 Replies
  • Noah Kadner

    August 14, 2006 at 12:50 am

    Nope- but CinemaTools should be able to handle this.

    Noah

  • Chris Bell

    August 14, 2006 at 6:08 pm
  • Xstimux

    August 14, 2006 at 6:58 pm

    I am laying it down right to DVCPRO HD for a DVCPRO HD timeline. Its got to match my HVX200 footage. Which is 720p 24p. Everyone is telling me I can do this within Cinema Tools but its impossible for me to do no matter what I do. Please hit the link below and see if you can get this footage to 23.98 within Cinema Tools without it looking slow:

    https://www.timecodeentertainment.com/downloads/16mmtest_1.zip

  • Noah Kadner

    August 15, 2006 at 3:17 pm

    CinemaTools is not the most intuitive program but it can handle just about any telecined footage if used properly. This may help you figure it out:

    https://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/film_digital_video_cinema_tools.html

    -Noah

  • Jeff Merritt

    August 15, 2006 at 9:20 pm

    Hello All,

    This question has been asked before and the answer is that none of the DVCPRO HD VTRs are capable of adding flags to the output, either HD-SDI or 1394. Having said that, the decks will record and playback the flags contained in the time code User Bits as input from VariCam, HVX200, and the new HDX900 via time code or 1394. NLE systems treat these flags differently and you’ll need to understand how to set up your particular editing system.

    As far as comparing the HD1200A with the new HD1400, as well as the HD1700, they all treat time code and flags identically. They are recorded and played back but not manipulated in any way. Depending on the machine, be sure that User Bits is turned on if making a dub from one machine to another as it is possible to insert new User Bits which will obliterate the existing source User Bits, something you may not want to do.

    I hope this helps to understand.

    Thanks,

    Jeff Merritt
    Product Line Business Manager
    High Definition Products
    Panasonic Broadcast
    323-436-3676

  • Mike Most — account bouncing, bad address

    August 17, 2006 at 2:14 pm

    This question has been posted on at least 2 of these lists now. I answered it in the Final Cut Pro list.

    Cinema Tools does not understand progressive formats when dealing with reverse telecine operations, only fielded ones. You can extract the 24 frames from a Panasonic 24 in 60 stream, but you have to convert it to a field based format (I used 1080i/60) first. This can be done in real time if you’re inputting via a Kona card or similar, or in software if you’re bringing the material in via Firewire.

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