A new still from FCP X

[John Pale]

[Simon Ubsdell] “t is pretty obvious there is no EDL support, no OMF support and no AAF support. As yet. “

Is it that obvious? You might very well be right…but keep in mind, just because its not in the Export Dialog doesn’t mean its not there. Its not in Avid’s export dialog either. Again…I don’t know jack until I actually launch the program, but neither do you.

[John Pale]

[John Pale] “Its not in Avid’s export dialog either”

Correcting myself… EDL isn’t in Avid’s export dialog…and you have to go further than just the menu to see OMF options…

Keep in mind also, that we have no idea what beta version these screen caps are from. Larry Jordan says he was told the beta version they used to demo at NAB was not the most current beta and much had been added .

Of course the whole thing could be a debacle…you may be right on every level.

[Sohrab Sandhu]

Actually, I think export options would be under the share menu. I am not sure if we have any leaked pictures of share menu. So untill we see it ourselves, can’t say if export OMF has been killed or not.

Sohrab

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[Ben Holmes]

Not sure why anyone would be concerned about the ‘transcode’ item – clearly there’s a time and place to transcode footage, irrespective of ‘mixed timeline’ abilities of any software. Exporting would certainly be speeded up by it.

The import options however….

I’ll admit a little pang of pain (if this is true – who the hell knows?) caused by not seeing ‘import XML’ on there, and two iMovie options, but let’s face it – that’s an emotional response born out of FCP pro-users disliking the ‘iMovie Pro’ tag.

Two thoughts:

1. XML import could very easily just be in the ‘import file’ option as a drop-down. After all – xml’s are files. Apple love to simplify menus with sub-menus. It’s a lot more likely than that they dropped the single most simple, interoperable file format for EDLs in the industry, isn’t it? What would Apple possibly have to gain from dropping it? They’d lose my business and many others beside for sure, so I don’t buy it. It’s hardly difficult to implement.

2. If you wanted to wind up tenterhook-hanging FCP editors with anything – I think this would do it. So it’s more likely to be fake than other shots I’ve seen. Although on balance, I think answer 1 is more likely – we just can’t see it from the screenshot, but it’s there.

And I KNOW – We’ll find out very soon. If you don’t like speculating and deducing a little from the tidbits we’ve been thrown, well – you’re on the wrong forum at the moment….

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[Simon Ubsdell]

[Ben Holmes] “It’s hardly difficult to implement.”

Why do we think this is so? It could well be that the magnetic timeline represents all sorts of interesting challenges in respect of supporting traditional edit interchange formats which may be much harder to resolve than we think.

It’s worth observing that the XML export from iMovie is very limited indeed for reasons that seem to me to be directly related to the magnetic timeline. (In particular L-cuts and J-cuts are completely ignored as well as pretty much anything other than the raw video edits along with their attached audio. Note these limitations are specifically described in the export dialogue.)

[Ben Holmes] ” Apple love to simplify menus with sub-menus”

But then why isn’t the iMovie option hidden in the import File menu as well?

But, hey, just playing devil’s advocate here so don’t shoot me!

Simon Ubsdell
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[Ben Holmes]

[Simon Ubsdell] ” It could well be that the magnetic timeline represents all sorts of interesting challenges in respect of supporting traditional edit interchange formats which may be much harder to resolve than we think. “

I don’t think that’s an issue for an XML import – the footage is imported in a particular shape. The magnetic timeline changes the mechanism by which it is altered, so as a snapshot of a timeline, I don’t see an issue.

All I really mean here is that XML is simple data, widely used. I HOPE for these reasons alone, it’s still included in FCP X – but hey, you could be right, and I have to flog FCP7 until it dies!

[Simon Ubsdell] “XML export from iMovie is very limited”

Yes, but that’s iMovie, and this is FCP X! Haven’t we moved on from that little nugget?

IF the menus are genuine, and iMovie integration has pride of place, I think that shows Apple is keen to promote this as an upsell product, like Aperture is to iPhoto (I’ve been banging on about this for over a year). That doesn’t mean pro features aren’t included (as with Aperture), but that the learning curve is less steep for prosumers. Good. Complaining otherwise is just Pro snobbery, as far as I can see….

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[Geoff Dills]

I haven’t seen any comments on being able to use iMovie for assistants to ingest, organize, do the color, sound, audio and stabilizing during ingest functions as well as keyword footage and even assemble rough edits in preparation for an edit. Not aware of anything comparable in Adobe or Avid.

Best,
Geoff

[Simon Ubsdell]

[Ben Holmes] “Yes, but that’s iMovie, and this is FCP X!”

I think you’re missing my point which is certainly not to have that old debate again (although to suggest that there are no useful parallels to be drawn is clearly flying in the face of the evidence IMO).

I was suggesting that the iMovie/XML model is instructive inasmuch as it shows that the magnetic timeline doesn’t easily lend itself to edit interchange formats – which is kind of what one is led to suspect a priori. In other words iMovie’s XML export isn’t hamstrung because it’s iMovie but because there are inherent issues arising from the implementation of the magnetic timeline. Note also that in pre-iMovie 08 you could get a fairly decent timeline out of iMovie and into FCP, again suggesting that the magnetic timeline was the sticking point.

Which is not to say that this won’t all be resolved come release date and of course the screenshots might be worthless as evidence …

[Ben Holmes] “Pro snobbery”

No pro snobbery from me – I think iMovie is amazingly good, in fact much too good for it’s supposed consumer target market.

Simon Ubsdell
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[Paul Dickin]

[Geoff Dills] “…use iMovie for assistants to ingest, organize, do the color, sound, audio and stabilizing during ingest functions as well as keyword footage and even assemble rough edits…”
Hi
We have no info on what a new version – non-QT-based – of iMovie might become.
Maybe it will include more elements from the ‘First Cut’ ingest application that has been mentioned somewhere in this forum as Ubilos’ precursor to what became iMovie 8?