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A new day, a new tape format
Michael Black fcp replied 19 years, 8 months ago 11 Members · 28 Replies
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Michael Black fcp
August 30, 2006 at 4:17 amOk, that seems very strange to me. How can it not be either one? If it’s shooting in 24 frames… oh man, this is blowing my mind.
I have no complaints about the image quality. I haven’t really been able to scrutinize the image yet as I’d kind of like to get home at a somewhat decent hour tonight. I’ll post some notes on it in the morning.
So far, it’s gorgeous
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Michael Gissing
August 30, 2006 at 6:16 amMichael,
I control the Canon via firewire, but in the Xl1 menu you have to set the camera to downcovert out the firewire. It still outputs the HD SDI, but you change the machine control setting in FCP to firewire dv and it should give you frame accurate sync & control. Certainly does for me, although I am using PAL 1080 50i.
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Mark Maness
August 30, 2006 at 3:10 pmIt has a firewire port. Use it for machine control only. It should work just fine.
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Bill Stephan
August 30, 2006 at 4:05 pmCanon HDV is 720P. Sony HDV is 1080i. Panasonic doesn’t do HDV — it does DVCPro HD (DVCPro 100MB). Welcome to the world of HDTV!
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Sean Oneil
August 30, 2006 at 4:44 pm[Michael Black FCP] “Ok, that seems very strange to me. How can it not be either one? If it’s shooting in 24 frames… oh man, this is blowing my mind”
The actual CCD chip on the camera does not capture progressive scan. I don’t know the details, but what is says is that the end result after capturing it is virtually identical to 24p. They’re just being honest in the fact that it’s not a “true 24p” as far as the process in which it records to tape.
Presumably, you need firewire capture to take it in as 24p. Using pulldown-removal on SDI input may not work.
Sean
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Sean Oneil
August 30, 2006 at 4:50 pm[Bill Stephan] “Canon HDV is 720P. Sony HDV is 1080i. Panasonic doesn’t do HDV — it does DVCPro HD (DVCPro 100MB). Welcome to the world of HDTV!”
Is Cannon 720 HDV the same as JVC 720 HDV? Will a JVC VTR playback Cannon tapes? I was thinking about getting this:
https://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?feature_id=01&tree=&itempath=null&model_id=MDL101457Sean
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Shane Ross
August 30, 2006 at 5:00 pm[Sean ONeil] “Is Cannon 720 HDV the same as JVC 720 HDV? Will a JVC VTR playback Cannon tapes? “
Nope. Not one HDV format is like another. That is but one of the drawbacks to that format.
Shane
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Mark Maness
August 30, 2006 at 5:02 pm[Michael Black FCP] “Ok, that seems very strange to me. How can it not be either one? If it’s shooting in 24 frames… oh man, this is blowing my mind. “
Its just Canon’s way of saying we are going to do something different. And that’s why FCP has the trouble it has with Canon. For some strange reason, everybody out there is doing their own thing isntead of worrying about camera features and quality.
It seems to me, it would have been much easier for Canon to record true 24p and market that way instead of Canon’s frame mode. On the XL1 and XL2, the frames modes were the same. So, trying to edit 24p was impossible.
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Michael Black fcp
August 30, 2006 at 7:50 pmI was told yesterday by the rental house that there isn’t a deck that will play back Canon tapes. We had to rent a camera to use as a deck to get the tapes in. There is apparently a Sony deck in the works that will play both, but it won’t be out until the end of the year or so.
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Michael Black fcp
August 30, 2006 at 9:23 pmI can say without a doubt that it won’t. The Canon tapes can only be played in Canon cameras. We have some of the JVC’s here and they wouldn’t play it.
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