8-bit, 10-bit or high-precission

[Jerry Hofmann]

Stay right where you are and finish.. keeping the project file small will help with RAM problems. If you have to, you could export 1/2 of the movie to a self contained movie, then the other half to a movie, then import them back to FCP, and marry your “master sequence” that way, with fewer clips in it. You’ll lose no quality.

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[Michael Harrington]

Thanks Jerry, so I assume all my media sizes and sequence settings are correct? I have a vague recollection of FCP limitations on still graphic size and suspected the few I have 2500×1920 was a problem.

I’ll have no choice but to compile all edited clips into 2 new sequences for Dual Disc DVD, both will be approx 1:45:00 each. This is necessary in order to deliver for DVD and Broadcast 2 version, texted fully mixed and 4-ch unmixed textless.

I can’t afford to wait till output time to discover problems and suffer the dreaded Out of Memory error, so needed to check on my sequence settings, etc.

I hear what your saying about output segment, import and reassemble, this has not been my workflow so far and with all the versions I need to layout, audio channel assign, render and output will be time consuming beyond my deadline.

In the meantime I’ll keep my fingers crossed I don’t have a piece of corrupt media or a file to large for FCP.

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[Jerry Hofmann]

FCP has a limitation of 4000 pixels in either direction, so you’ve no problem…

Keep going, but know that you may have to put out QT’s which are sections of the movie then marry them to make your final outputting sequences.

Out of memory errors are either files from photoshop with blank layers in them (FCP will report an error) or corrupt media, usually render files.

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[Rafael Amador]

About “8b/10b/High Precision”: Set “Render ALL YUV in high precision YUV”. Other wise your 8b stuff (XDCAM, HDV,..) will be rendered just at 8b, even when the sequence codec was 10b.
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[Michael Harrington]

And what will it render at when set as you suggest. Looming deadline so I need to choose wisely and avoid hours of re-renders, but will do what it takes to keep quality and avoid the dreaded out of memory.

Michael Harrington
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[Michael Harrington]

FYI, I just completed a render and out put of 1:45:00 sequence without Out of Memory issue. I kept settings as described earlier.

yea, they oda type

[Neil Ryan]

Hi Jerry,
Came across this thread while doing research, and wanted to ask a question:
[Jerry Hofmann] “FCP has a limitation of 4000 pixels in either direction”

What do you mean when you use the word ‘limitation’? FCP can import larger frame sizes than 4000×4000.
I know that a Project with many large still images can create problems and, as I’ve got another such Project coming up (hence the research) I’d like to try to avoid problems I’ve had in the past.

And while I have your attention, can I ask your opinion about dpi in still images for FCP.
The FCP user guide says “The dimensions of a video image are dependent only on the number of horizontal and vertical pixels used in the image. Pixel dimensions alone determine the resolution of a video image.” It goes on to demonstrate a test between 2 files; one 72dpi and the other 300dpi and how there’s no quality difference in FCP. Accepting this, I note that, in the case of the 2 files of different dpi, there is a difference in the file size. So, does it create less drag on FCP if imported graphics use a lower dpi and therefore smaller file size?

Regards,
Neil.

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[David Roth weiss]

[Neil Ryan] “What do you mean when you use the word ‘limitation’? FCP can import larger frame sizes than 4000×4000.”

No, FCP does not and cannot handle frames that exceed 4000 pixels wide.

And, either forget about about DPI altogether, or set it at 72 and then set the pixel dimensions of your stills.

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[Neil Ryan]

I know that you CAN import and USE still images larger than 4000 pixels (H or W).
I also know it causes problems, of the nightmarish type.
But I can’t find anything in the FCP7 online user manual to definitively say, “here’s what you can or can’t do.” And therefore, while I have learnt the extreme that can cause problems, I don’t know what is the correct procedure.
So what I’m chasing, is the actual correct procedure for using still images in FCP7.
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Is it documented anywhere? Where does the 4000 px limit come from?
I need something I can take to a team of editors, so that we all work from the same page.

Regards,
Neil.

[Rafael Amador]

Hi Neil,
A lot of what we know about FC has been learnt through long years of testing, making mistakes and trying again.
Apple has been very mean on releasing accurate info about the application. For example, everybody new that QT Conversion worked in just 8b, but Apple has officially recognized that just few months ago, after the release of FCPX (and in order to dismiss FCP in front of FCPX).
I really don’t remember now if there is any doc where Apple set a limit size for still, but the video limit size officially is 2K.

[Neil Ryan] “But I can’t find anything in the FCP7 online user manual “
FCP 7 manual is crap.
Try to get FC 6 manual.
From FC 4.5 HD till FC 6 Apple was able to put together a quite decent manual with a lot of info not just on FC but in video in general (color, formats, interlacing, compression..).
By FC 7 they decided to get rid of it, probably thinking that the video editor of the future (FCPX) doesn’t needs to know nothing about video.
rafael

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