720p24-HVX>P2>FCP workflow… will this work?

[David Heidelberger]

That should work. As long as you keep the P2 directory fully intact, you can import the files from anywhere (in other words, make one folder per card and be sure you’ve copied ALL the files on the card).

If you can manage it, it may be worth importing into Final Cut with a laptop on the set, that way, you can make sure that your backup copy really is good before you wipe the P2 card. You should be able to be backing up one card to the drive and importing the previous card into Final Cut at the same time and be able to keep up with the pace of the camera.

One pitfall: There’s a serious bug in how FCP handles frame rates of P2 media that can cause audio sync issues and issues if you’re applying any effects. This bug was fixed for 5.1. If you haven’t cross-graded to 5.1 yet, you definitely should before you import the media. The media apparently has to be imported into 5.1 in order for it to behave properly.

Good luck,
– David

[E. Eric johnson iii]

thank you david-

i haven’t crossgraded yet, but i shall now… how will the crossgrade effect media already imported in 5.0.4?

thanks again for the help,

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e. eric johnson iii
eric@lillmonster.net
lill monster founder/producer-director
water channel: producer/virtual set operator
HomeandGardenCreative.com: producer/editor

now in principal photography – START 2 FINISH: What It Really Takes to Race A Bike

[Miodrag Ristic]

I’m using the same workflow with my Firestore
(recording to a hard drive and a tape in the same time) hard drive.

I know what you mean.

What I wanted to suggest, you might use Firestore, they’ve got
a model designed specifically for HVX & P2.
That way you avoid FCP / P2 related issues.
Only thing, I’m not sure if Firestore supports 24p in HDV mode
(it does in DV mode).

https://www.focusinfo.com/solutions/catalog.asp?id=150

Mick

[E. Eric johnson iii]

thank you mick,

i did go the firestore route, after some initial problems i have one that works, and when possible, i shoot on the P2 cards at the same time. the cards may not hold much, but they are about bomb proof. the firestore is getting there, but i can’t use it on a lot of my shoots, and alas, it’s still gotta be imported via P2. but i’m digging the P2 overall. it’s pretty much cutting edge for cheap, unfortunately, you can get cut!

thanks for tip!

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e. eric johnson iii
eric@lillmonster.net
lill monster founder/producer-director
water channel: producer/virtual set operator
HomeandGardenCreative.com: producer/editor

now in principal photography – START 2 FINISH: What It Really Takes to Race A Bike

[David Heidelberger]

The crossgrade shouldn’t have an effect on your current media. But all earlier projects will need to be converted to 5.1 (and then 5.2) projects and will no longer be able to open in 5.0.

The only way to get rid of the P2 problem is to import old P2 media in 5.1. I think you may also be able to get rid of it by using Cinema Tools to “Conform to 23.98,” but that will create so many problems with your timecode, it’s probably not worth it. In my experience with the problem, it’s a drift over time, so if you’re only working with short clips, you may never experience it, but longer takes definitely get issues.

– David

[Miodrag Ristic]

What was the problem? 24p in HD mode or something else?
Only problem I found was that FW cable gets disconnected from camera if
I had to run & gun.

I’m not getting this? If you run with Firestore, you could transfer
QT files from firestore to your Capture Scratch folder (or to your back up HD for editing later).

Mick

[E. Eric johnson iii]

hi mick-

about 50% of what i do is run & gun outside, in less than desirable weather conditions, so the P2 cards are the only thing i can use. the project is dvcprohd, so tape isn’t an option. but, man does HD eat-up the hard drive space. but it sure is pretty.

thanks again for the input,

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e. eric johnson iii
eric@lillmonster.net
lill monster founder/producer-director
water channel: producer/virtual set operator
HomeandGardenCreative.com: producer/editor

now in principal photography – START 2 FINISH: What It Really Takes to Race A Bike

[Alex Johnson]

Your old clips will not have good timecode, it should be noted, if you imported with any version prior to 5.1, you will have to re-import. In the first versions of 5, P2 media was randomly assigned a new timecode that was not reflective of reality.

—Alex

[David Heidelberger]

The problem actually goes beyond timecode. As near as I can tell, on longer clips, applying effects that need rendering seems to actually shift the framerate of the clip, such that towards the end of the clip, you’re looking at a different frame than you would be had the effect not been applied. This can also create sync issues because it seems that the audio is not affected, which creates a drift. If you’re stuck with pre 5.1.1 versions, as I’ve said, I think that conforming your clips to 23.98 in Cinema Tools is a workaround to the problem, but whatever bogus timecode may be there will be even more bogus after that.

– David