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60P workflow in PPRO 5
Hello all,
This question might belong in the “basics” forum. Let me know if I should move it there.
This topic has been approached before in these forums but I still am unsure how to proceed for the exact workflow I want to use in PPRO CS 5.
I want to know how to go about shooting entirely in 60p and finish with a project that has a mix of 24p footage at both standard speed and slow motion.
Here’s why I want to work this way:
I like to use slow motion mixed with standard speed footage in my projects. Using a Canon 7D I currently shoot everything I intend to slow down at 720p 60p. I shoot everything else at 1080p 24p. I then work in 720p 24p sequences in PPro. I reduce the speed of the 60p footage to 40 percent for slow motion, then downscale my 24p footage from 1080p to 720p to fit the sequence.
I have no doubt that this is probably a silly way to go about getting the effect I want – a 24p final project with beautiful, overcranked slow motion.
What I want to know is this: can I shoot everything at 60p and still get the final result of standard speed and slow mo footage exported at 24p? If so, how do I do this? Do I have to convert or conform the non-slo-mo 60p footage to 24p footage? If so, can this be done in PPro, or do I need to use AE or another program?
Again, the primary end result is to get a 24p look and feel with a mix of standard speed and slow motion. It would be nice to get this result without having to constantly switch between 24p and 60p while shooting in the field, then endure my convoluted workflow in PPro. It would also be nice to have all the footage in 60p so that I could pick and choose what to slow down and what to keep at regular speed.
Much appreciation in advance.
-mark
PS – This footage will be exported to h.264 files. Will video sharing sites like Youtube and Vimeo wreak havoc on converted/conformed footage like this, or will it suffer the same losses as any other footage going through the conversion process?
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5 Replies
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Here is what I do in similar situations:
Shoot all 60p in the field
Import into the media bin in Premiere
I open a sequence at whatever your destination format will be (in your case, say 720p24)
At this point any footage you throw in the timeline will dropframe/frame blend to match 24p.
Now for the slowmotion…
If I want to use a clip, I copy/paste it in my media bin. This creates two instances: one I won’t adjust and another where I will right click and change the interpretation of the framerate (be liberal, anything less than the original 60 will be in slow mo, I like cranking it down to 30 or 24fps) and you can throw it in the timeline where Premiere will conform playback again.
As far as “best format” for youtube and vimeo, read their FAQ’s. I take their recommendation and up the bitrate an extra 10-20%
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Hey Angelo,
Thanks for your detailed response. This is exactly what I needed. Might have to bother you again with some follow-up questions as I learn the workflow.
Cheers!
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Hey Angelo,
I used this workflow on my last project and it worked well. Thanks again for the help.
-mark
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Hello Angelo,
Today, while working on a project using this workflow, I ran into a strange situation. I noticed that several of the 60p clips that I dropped straight into the 24p timeline developed pixelation issues. When stopped, a frame on the image looked completely clear and sharp, but when playing it developed blocky, pixelated attributes. The problem remained after editing and showed up in the final h.264 24p export.
I set the sequence to 720p at 24fps, because more than half of the footage was interpolated from 60p to 24p for slow motion purposes. So the project was a mix of interpolated 24p slow mo and 60p clips in the same sequence. It appeared that most, if not all, of the un-interpolated clips had some sort of degradation.
Have you experienced this? What do you chalk it up to? Does this kind of degradation have anything to do with the fact that the 60p clips lose frames when dropped in the 24p sequence?
The strangest part is that a test I performed seemed to succeed as a workaround. I created a new 60p sequence and dropped the edited timeline from my 24p sequence into it. I then exported the 60p sequence at 24p h264 – the exact same export setting I used for the previous, problematic sequence. This time the export looked great, no pixelation throughout. Both the slo-mo and regular speed footage looks good.
Problem solved by I’m really confused.
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Hi Mark,
Not sure if you’re still having this issue but check your playback resolution settings. They vary by project, so you probably had the “problem” project set at 1/4 resolution (which would then sharpen up when you stop playback) and 1/2 or full resolution in your other project. In the program monitor, this drop down should be on the bottom right of the panel.
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