59.94 > 23.98 major issue !!!

[John Sharaf]

Yeah, this is a sticky wicket! When you write 23.97 in the Varicam you create flags in the user bit on the “A” frames, namely the first of each repeated frame. It is these flags which FCP uses to import only the discreet 24 frames per second. When you record the telecine onto the 1200A deck you are not writing such information into the user bits! I think you’ll need to use sone third-party software to create Quicktimes of the 24 frames; not being a post-production specialist, I don’t know what software will do this. It is a weak link in the DVCPRO100 workflow.

JS

[Noah Kadner]

Use CinemaTools this is what it’s for. There’s no advanced pulldown to remove because only 24p camera shot footage has it.

https://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/film_digital_video_cinema_tools.html

Noah

[Xstimux]

What if I dubbed my footage into a varicam on a different tape … then took that dub into FCP? Would it flag my footage the right way so FCP could reverse telecine?

[Gary Adcock]

“There’s no advanced pulldown to remove because only 24p camera shot footage has it.”

Oops
there is no advanced pulldown because the 720p format is progressive, advanced pulldown is only possible in the interlaced formats.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Chicago, IL
gary@studio37.com

[John Sharaf]

Unfortunately there is no “input” to the Varicam other than the camera itself, so your proposal would not work. The new HVX900 camera has such a provision however, but I don’t think there are any to be had yet.

JS

[Gary Adcock]

[xstimux] “I did a telecine tranfer of some 16mm footage to the Panasonic 1200a deck. We layed it down at 720p60”
Why would you not keep it at 23.98 as it was coming off the telecine.

[xstimux] “I brought the footage into final cut pro and I need the footage to be 23.98 so it intercuts with most of my other HVX200 footage I have shot.”

Did you even try to capture using the 720p24 setting (if using FW to dig) FCP 5.04 is actually smart enough to to force this capture as long as you set in and out points during capture “Capture Now”will NOT work.

[xstimux] “Then I try and use the DVCPRO HD frame rate convertor but it gives me an error everytime saying “an error occured during processing, unable to conform source media””
this is as John said the FRC cannot remove flags that are not there.

AS Noah said Cinema tools is the simple solution for removing the redundant frame from any type of clip that FCP can see/use.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Chicago, IL
gary@studio37.com

[Xstimux]

Yes .. I tried forcing FCP to capture 23.98 with the 720p24 setting … I have tried everything ….. I thought no matter what the deck records 59.94 but flags for whatever you set it to. We did lay the 16mm down at 24 fps. I transfered at the Syndicate. I ended up exporting my clips from quicktime pro at 23.98. It looks as if quicktime just ditched the extra frames that were in the 59.94 original clip …. the new clip looks great.

[Noah Kadner]

That’s just it- there are no flags to remove.You need to remove them manually with CinemaTools.

[Gary Adcock]

[xstimux] “I tried forcing FCP to capture 23.98 with the 720p24 setting”

did you set in and out points?

it will not work with capture now — there is not a way to determine a cadence end point without having an in and an out set during capture.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Chicago, IL
gary@studio37.com

[Mike Most — account bouncing, bad address]

Gary, I’m surprised at you. You’re not listening. There are no flags in the stream unless the material is shot with the Varicam. They are inserted as part of the camera’s internal conversion process. There is no way to record on a DVCPro HD tape machine at anything but 60 frames. That’s how the format works. There is no such thing as 720p/24 DVCPro HD, except within a computer.