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  • Rich Rubasch

    January 26, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Tim’s post totally rocks.

    Rich Rubasch
    Tilt Media Inc.
    Video Production and Post
    Owner/President/Editor/Designer/Animator
    https://www.tiltmedia.com

  • Pat Mcgowan

    January 28, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Tim are you saying the Nano only records 8-bit?

  • Rafael Amador

    January 28, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    The NANO records 8 glorious bits.
    At a good data rate is virtually 8b Uncompress.
    Sheer 8b Uncompress is 290 Mbps, while the NANO records 280Mbps. Is more “optimization” than compression.
    Cheers,
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Pat Mcgowan

    January 28, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    So the KiPro is the best option for 10 bit in the field using EX-3 and PMW350? Anything else on the horizon?

  • Don Greening

    January 28, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    I would suspect AJA is working on a smaller version of the Ki Pro to compete with the Nano. Folks are buying the current Ki Pro for use in studio settings and the Nano for field work.

    – Don

  • Rafael Amador

    January 29, 2010 at 1:00 am

    Hi Pat,
    The Ki-Pro records Prores (10b), but is not a portable device.
    I guess, as Don, that AJA will try to do something really mobile.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Tim Kolb

    January 29, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    [Pat McGowan] “Tim are you saying the Nano only records 8-bit?”

    It’s a MPEG device that records 8 bit, yes. However, keep in mind that most all acquisition formats are 8 bit. AVC Intra and HDcamSR are the only two camera formats that are 10 bit.

    There is nothing wrong with 8 bit…10 bit can be helpful for compositing work.

    When it comes to general acquisition however, portability and filesize count as well.

    TimK,
    Director, Consultant
    Kolb Productions,

  • Ben Perez

    January 30, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    I guess a question on many peoples mind would be, do you get a better looking picture with the AJA because it IS 10 bit, or do they look the same?

  • Tim Kolb

    January 30, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    [Ben Perez] “I guess a question on many peoples mind would be, do you get a better looking picture with the AJA because it IS 10 bit, or do they look the same?”

    It’s actually pretty subjective. The 10 bit image has more flexibility and will endure more color correction manipulation, so it’s technically better.

    If you did nothing to the images and put them side-by-side on a VERY high end display…you may well notice it.

    It’s a matter of perception and anyone who’s been at this a while will remember the comparisons between DV and BetacamSP and/or Type C…if the entire show you were watching was a doco that was competently shot on professional DV…unless someone inserted a DigiBeta shot in the middle of the program, nobody really found it distracting.

    The bottom line is that the Nano/KiPro comparison isn’t really a very easy one as they each have some hit-it-out-of-the-park traits, but they’re strong in different areas (see my first post in the thread). My major point was- saying that one is the answer to every question and that the other is somehow inferior in a general sense is just simply not meaningful information.

    As I said, I’ve used them both, I like them both, there are any number of applications where I could see one being a far better fit than the other…but that answer changes with the situation.

    TimK,
    Director, Consultant
    Kolb Productions,

  • Rafael Amador

    January 31, 2010 at 2:41 am

    As Tim points, 10b gives “more definition”. Its gives an extra quality that our eyes may not appreciate and that most of the actual screens (8b RGB) can not display.
    However that extra quality is over there and will show up in postproduction. So depending of your workflow and delivery format, 10b shooting may be an advantage, or just a waist of resources.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

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