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3.5 year old blog post still relevant
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[David Mathis] “Introduce an Apple Cinema Camera with FCP X and Motion for free? ;-)”
Where would the market go from there?
BMD would have to slash their prices and pay you cash money to download Resolve/Fusion, just to stay competitive.
Walter Soyka
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My post was meant as a joke in response to other another post.
* EDIT * Now that would be nice. A reverse subscription only model. Now if Adobe would offer something like that . . . 🙂
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[David Mathis] “My post was meant as a joke in response to other another post.”
Mine was, too!
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Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[tony west] “[Andrew Kimery] “Anyway, my point was LA is so saturated with RED owners/renters that they are very easy to come by.”
My point is it doesn’t matter how many people in LA rent that camera cheap .The rest of the country is not saturated with RED cameras or Alexa cameras or f55s”
Alot of people picked them up when they were selling battle tested epics for $3999 a year or two ago. I know a bunch of people personally who got one.
And yes, there a dime a dozen in L.A and the operators to go with them. Even the surf industry/ community (ie, not a ton of money) is pretty much all exclusively using RED. Its a trip.
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[Neil Goodman] “And yes, there a dime a dozen in L.A and the operators to go with them. Even the surf industry/ community (ie, not a ton of money) is pretty much all exclusively using RED. Its a trip.
“What’s really a trip is I see camera rental houses out there asking 600 a day for the epic Dragon.
Odd that they could get that since everybody and their momma has a RED.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Compare Apple’s products to a competitors products and its pretty clear what I mean. The iDevices, for example, have never been the most feature rich or been the most open devices (no SD card slot, no removable battery, no non-app store apps, etc,) and the Mac Pro Tube vs an HP tower is another example of Apple only offering what it thinks the product should be regardless of user expectations. If you need PCIe slots and internal expansion you are no longer part of Apple’s demographic (and you are probably in a pretty small minority so Apple isn’t worried about the lost revenue).
“So, if user choice is what makes a better product, why is computer business on the whole, down?
https://www.statisticbrain.com/computer-sales-statistics/
You can’t run a big technology manufacturing company on charity.
[Andrew Kimery] “Did Apple suddenly turn Shake into iShake? No, Shake of course stayed high-end, but Apple did change the development of Shake from user feedback-centric (for lack of a better term) to Apple-centric. Does this literally mean that Apple never listens to user feedback? Of course not, but the driving decisions at Apple come internally, not externally. Contrast that with Adobe where employees have blogs and due to the overwhelming response to this blog post (Happy New year… and a question) the AE team is actually focusing much more on making AE faster right now at the expense of new features.”
And Adobe will also tell you, if you don’t like our business model, go away. They are doing it more and more publicly these days. How is this different from Apple who says, if our products aren’t good enough for you, go away? How is Adobe not building the customer base that they want, just like Apple?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “So, if user choice is what makes a better product, why is computer business on the whole, down? “
Where did I say what’s better and what’s worse? I think you are reading a lot into my posts that isn’t there.
In my original post I even said, “Ultimately Apple still makes very good products but it’s up to the individual to determine if Apple still makes the right products for them.” And in a couple other posts I said I’m not making any value judgements, I’m just talking about Apple’s methodology.
[Jeremy Garchow] “How is Adobe not building the customer base that they want, just like Apple?”
They are. Again, I’ve never said this way is right and that way is wrong… I’ve just been talking about Apple’s MO.
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[tony west] “Odd that they could get that since everybody and their momma has a RED.”
What they ask and what they get might not be the same thing. 😉
Legit productions will go to legit rental houses and pay legit prices for legit gear and support. On the other hand, broke student filmmakers will just borrow a RED Dragon from their day job and shoot their student film in 6k.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/crg/4854032492.htmlAnother student film shooting with a RED Dragon (and Zeiss Super Speeds too)
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cwg/4848338693.htmlLow budget music video being shot on RED Dragon (needs steady cam op w/rig for $150/day)
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cwg/4851127979.htmlSpec commercial being shot on RED Dragon looking for actors (no pay, just copy)
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/tlg/4846517988.htmlLow budget horror film shot on RED Dragon looking for Sound Editor (no pay)
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/crg/4857192893.htmlAnd that’s just in the last week or so.
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I shot my buddy’s band at a bar on NYE ’93 with a $40k betacamsp that I borrowed from work.
I shot a music video in college with the 3/4″ umaticsp I borrowed from the pbs station I was interning at in ’91.
But now I just feel old.
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[Andrew Kimery] “broke student filmmakers will just borrow a RED Dragon from their day job and shoot their student film in 6k”
Yes Andrew, I’m not surprised by that. People shoot stuff cheap all the time for their own reasons.
If I shoot my cousin’s little game with my gear for FREE that doesn’t represent the “legit” rate in my market place.
That’s not the rate for the Cardinals, that’s just me doing a favor for my family.
We are not really talking about the same thing at this point so I’m glad you gave those examples.I have worked out of your market and I know what I got paid. It’s not 150
If you are working on a “legit” job that somebody paid 600 for just the camera body before the pay for the glass, that’s gonna be a high end job. I’m talking about that kind of job, not a spec job or little league family thing.
The next time I’m shooting your LA Kings and they fly me out there and ask me to work for 150 then I will consider that your “legit rate”
And, I won’t be coming hahahaha
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