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  • 30 seconds does not equal 900 frames?

    Posted by Justin Nathanson on June 10, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    I am trying to export a 30 second spot for broadcast – which reads as exactly 30:00 on my 29.97 timeline. When exported and opened up[ in Quicktime, it actually reads as 30:00, but when I open the frame counter it reads as 899 frames. I must get to 900.

    The only way I can get to 900 is by adding a frame on my timeline – reading 30:01.

    What could cause this?

    I dont want to submit an 899 frame spot. Nor do I want to submit a 30:01 spot.

    Any suggestions? Thanks much in advance!

    – JN

    JFN, filmmaker
    the cut company
    https://www.thecutcompany.com

    Joseph Owens replied 14 years, 1 month ago 6 Members · 9 Replies
  • 9 Replies
  • Jim Carswell

    June 10, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Multiply 30 (seconds) by 29.97 (framerate/timeline) equals 899.1 frames.

    Jim

    Jim Carswell
    Spyhop Productions, Inc.
    Savannah, GA
    http://www.spyhopproductions.com

  • Justin Nathanson

    June 10, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    re: Jim – thanks. That leaves me still looking for solutions, however.

    JFN, filmmaker
    the cut company
    https://www.thecutcompany.com

  • Jim Carswell

    June 10, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    I guess I’m confused as to why you want to hit a target of 900 frames when that is in excess of the limit of a 30 second spot.

    What you have created is the expected deliverable for a 30 second spot based on a 29.97 framerate/timeline.

    Has your client insisted on 900 frames?

    If so, the end of the spot will be clipped on the air- by that additional frame.

    Jim

    Jim Carswell
    Spyhop Productions, Inc.
    Savannah, GA
    http://www.spyhopproductions.com

  • Shane Ross

    June 10, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    I’m confused too. I’ve never, in my 15 year editing career, been asking for exact frames when delivering commercials. Time, yes. Exact timecode. Yes. Frames? No

    Shane
    Little Frog Post
    Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def

  • Rafael Amador

    June 11, 2012 at 3:24 am

    [Justin Nathanson] “re: Jim – thanks. That leaves me still looking for solutions”
    There is nothing for what to look for a solution because there is not any problem and you don’t need to be Einstein to understand that 30 second is less that 900 frames and that 900 frames is longer than 30 seconds.
    If you have been requested 30 secs, send 30 secs.
    If you have been requested 900 frames, send 900 frames.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 11, 2012 at 4:31 am

    Frame 0 = #1
    Frame 1 = #2
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Frame 899 = #900

    For a :30, your tc out should be xx:xx:29:29

  • Justin Nathanson

    June 11, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Thanks everyone. That’s what I thought. By the way, this is not a fun conversation to have with a broadcast station in market #125.

    JFN, filmmaker
    the cut company
    https://www.thecutcompany.com

  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 11, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    [Justin Nathanson] “Thanks everyone. That’s what I thought. By the way, this is not a fun conversation to have with a broadcast station in market #125.”

    So….frame 124?

    😉

  • Joseph Owens

    June 25, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Broadcast deliverables appear to be drafted by people who are pulling numbers out of a hat, or somewhere else, or worse, a Google search. Example: Project two years ago, the audio had to be delivered in “aff”… Yeah, probably a typo.

    But wait for it, any issues with drop frame? (here we go, its like pulling the pin on a hand grenade and rolling it into the spider hole!!!!). “Isn’t it supposed to be ‘more accurate’?”

    jPo

    “I always pass on free advice — its never of any use to me” Oscar Wilde.

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