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2GB Memory Stick: Zero to 80Mbps
https://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable/2gb-memory-stick-zero-to-80mbps-125503.php
Seems as though everyday we are getting closer and closer to the high capacity/affordable solid state media. When you compare this to what Panasonic is offering, P2 still seems expensive. 4 of these in a RAID would be more than capable of 100Mbps. Course you have to add the cost of the P2 enclosure and…. hmm, still $1000 more than it should be. 🙂
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Wow, this is exciting! Only if Sony would make a pro or prosumer camera that did solid-state video onto these things, that would be awesome.
I’m very much leaning towards P2 is totally overpriced for what its function is. It’s a great concept and very cool technology (I even like the PCMCIA / Cardbus based cards idea for field recording), but charging $2000 for an 8gb card? At first I said, ok… the technology is new, the prices will be high. But the more research I’m doing, the more I’m finding out how overpriced it really is. And then to find out that Panny is working with Firestore for the hard drive based unit and that is going to run $2000 for the hard drive? Are they really serious about that?
I’ve been flammed a few times “if you can’t spend $2000 on a reuseable media card then you aren’t charging your clients enough” or “if you’re a hobbyist this is definately out of your budget”. I don’t fall into either of these categories, but I still feel P2 is overpriced – $2000 for 8GB is a lot of money, especially when I hear that SONY has made memory stick devices with high speed recording at $200 for 2GB. At that price, I could get 20GB worth of cards for the same price I’d pay for 8GB of P2, but probably even cheaper once SanDisk starts making them.
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Back when I was a kid, my Dad got so tired of my “if I…” and “if only it…” statements that he retorted: “If I could have grown breasts I might have been your Mom but it’s not my job and it wasn’t coded into my wiring so you can call me ‘Dad.'”
I got his point…
That said, this thread is almost comical… RAID arrays made up of four 2gig solid state memory sticks — and raving of how these non-existant memory-stick RAID drives might power a never-been-announced camera? Am I missing something?
This whole industry is always made up of those who find certain offerings worth the purchase and those who do not.
If you do not like P2, then why hang out and crap on those who do find something worthwhile??? Life’s too short — move on to something else.
P2 never was intended to meet the needs of everyone. It is targeted at a certain type of user who can benefit enough from it today that the cost is in keeping within the realm of profitability of their market. It isn’t for everyone — but it is a first step of this type of technology and so it can hardly be expected to meet the needs of everyone.
That’s my opinion…
Ron Lindeboom
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It is no good buying a P2 camera and trying to make it work with non P2 memory !
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I think we get what you are saying Ron. However, does that mean that everything a company puts out is fairly/appropriately priced? I had the opportunity to speak to Jan today at ResFest in New York and she went over why the P2 cards cost so much. While she definitely shed some new light on the situation, I still feel the P2 cards are overpriced. You argue that its silly to argue about a technology thats not yet shipping for a camera that doesnt exist… Well let me tell you the camera very much exists, I held it in my hands not only a few hours ago. By posting these links to all the other available solid state media on the market, we can begin to derive an industry standard. When the dust settles, P2 is over priced. The firestore is definitely overpriced.
I remember when we had similar conversations about capture cards… then Blackmagic comes along and screws every other competitor by offering a price that everyone would argued was too low to make a profit prior to its actual release.
The bottom line is that there are comparable technologies out there on the market today that would significantly undercut Panasonic’s P2 price if they were engineered for such a device.
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Why does everybody want somthing for nothing? Broadcast quality gear is expensive for a reason: It’s reliable, and durable.
It seems that some video shooters have yet to find a cheaper camera to shoot their next breakthough project with. Infact, if the manufacturers paid them to use it, it would still be too expensive.
Rant over.
Chris Bell
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Chris….
“Broadcast quality gear is expensive for a reason: It’s reliable, and durable.”
This is not the bottom line. There are many reasons its so expensive, one of which is becuase we pay for it.
Did you read my previous post? Blackmagic is a perfect example… before blackmagic capture HD capture boards were $10,000 and then blackmagic comes along and sells an HD board for $2500 thats more capable than the $10,000 one.
The point is that just becuase something is “pro” doesnt mean it should cost an arm and a leg. It should be priced fairly.
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No, I was NOT referring to the Panasonic P2 as “non-existant” — it was the fact that some here are saying: “Wow, if Sony builds a camera that can use this as yet non-supported flash memory cards then we will have a perfect (but yet) non-existant camera.”
As I said: The P2 is NOT targeting everyone. It’s NOT a one-size-fits-all world — well, not in pro gear anyway…
That’s what I was saying.
My point is that the P2 is already a defined and nearly ready to ship product. It long passed the point where it could become something other than it will be. Pointing to 32gig cards from Samsung which do not work in the P2 does little but remind me of dear ole Dad’s analogy as to why I call him Dad.
Ron Lindeboom
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Ah ok, I slightly misunderstood Ron.
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If people spent as much time on the business of making money in this game rather than trying to design the perfect 24p Super HD camera for $1000 they would have less problem buying ‘expensive’ kit.
For instance we (as in 3 people) have just done over the past 12 weeks 4 fairly easy projects shot on cheaply hired 2 X Sony PD150’s cameras that many people on here wouldnt touch as they are not good enough for them, yet the money generated from those projects exceeded $50,000 which is enough to go and buy a Sony HDCAM camera should you want to work for free for a few months to ‘buy’ the camera.
So focus on the business of making money rather than wishing to save a few hundred $ and if you have no money dont buy rent when a paying job comes along.
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