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29.97 footage in a 23.98 project?
I have a lot of HDV and 7D doc interview footage that was filmed in 29.97 Fps. I want to continue the project but I’d like to film the new footage in 23.98. I’d like to end up with a 23.98 project. What is the best way to approach such a change between old and new?
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[Enrico Lappano] “I want to continue the project but I’d like to film the new footage in 23.98.”
Why? Because you want the “filmlook?”
If so, you don’t really want to do that Enrico, you only think you do. You’re letting yourself in for a world of trouble by changing frame rates at this point.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
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Los Angeles
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If you want the film look, you can do that later. Shoot ALL the same frame rate. Mixing rates in FCP is UGLY.
There is the Film Effects plugin from nattress.com that only costs $99, that you can apply to everything.
Shane
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Yes, you guessed it. It’s to get “that film look.” The predominant footage is 29.97. But if I’m hearing you guys correctly, perhaps I should continue shooting in 29.97 (not 23.98), edit the project in Apple ProRes at that frame rate and change it over to 23.98 after the edit is over with Nattress Film Effects. That will in the end give the very same 23.98 effect?
So, it really ultimately doesn’t make a difference what frame rate the footage is shot in because that can be fixed later?
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You really don’t need to change the frame rate. Your audience won’t care about that. It’s the look you desire, and 95% of that is proper technique in post.
The primary reason you’re even thinking this at this stage is because your camera, like all properly adjusted cameras, records very low-contrast images, which is what you’re looking at now. That’s done by design to give you increased latitude in post, so you can color grade as you desire, without being restricted by the narrow dynamic range that beautiful footage right out of the camera would otherwise afford.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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The filter will not convert it to 23.98…it will apply the 24p film look, which is what you are going for.
Shane
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I find it strange that small players are trying to get their footage to look better by lowering a frame rate, while the big boys like Cameron, Jackson and Lucas are lobbyng to get digital projection frame rates doubled and quadrupled so they can shoot 48fps or 60fps to increase the realism and resolution.
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Thanks for your feedback David and Shane. Your explanations are very helpful!
I’m coming in from an SD background, new still to HD. Planning a whole new project in the future, is there a preferred frame rate for a project going to Blue Ray that will be screened on a digital projector to a large screen?
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[Enrico Lappano] “Planning a whole new project in the future, is there a preferred frame rate for a project going to Blue Ray that will be screened on a digital projector to a large screen?
“BluRay does 29.97 and 23.98. So it’s all up to you as for the look you want. Feature film? Or Video? Film is 24p, video is 29.97.
Shane
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Sorry, I could have stated my question clearer. What I meant to ask was for example, even if I shoot an entire project at 29.97 fps, (which will naturally give it a video look), if I decide afterwards that it should have a film look (ie. 24P or 23.98 fps),can that be changed in post in subtle degrees, or is something like the Nattress Film Effects more of a general type effect?
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Yes.
Shane
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