24fps in, 30fps out?

[Stan Jones]

Encore (the DVD spec?) always puts the 24 in 29.97 with pulldown. This was true before CS6. Does Encore show it as 24? Are you bringing 24 or 23.976?

Stan Jones

[Rex Polanis]

In previous versions the motion blur in the footage looked the same. Now, compared to 24fps, it looks like super excito motion. I am shooting at 23.976.

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[Stan Jones]

Okay; what does Encore show the footage as once you import it?

Stan Jones

[Ricky Barrow]

Encore CS4 and CS5 allows me to transcode at 24fps (23.976) – It does not automatically pulldown if you select the proper transcoding settings. We do 24fps DVD’s all the time.

Ricky

[Stan Jones]

> Encore CS4 and CS5 allows me to transcode at 24fps (23.976) – It does not automatically pulldown if you select the proper transcoding settings.

I don’t know why Rex is not getting the correct look, and I’m wondering if something has changed in the default transcode settings. (I did not think they had.) But Gspot a vob of your 23.976. It will show a fps of 29.970 with 3:2 pulldown. It also shows a “Pics/s” of 23.976, just as mediainfo shows only the 23.976, but Progressive and 2:3 pulldown.

Do you see any difference between CS5/5.5 and CS6?

Stan Jones

[Rob Manning]

Hello Rick,

In CS5, what settings are you, were you actually using?

The preferences box (edit drop down) has the DVD specs hard set allowing no changes.

It says these can be changed at any time from the File drop down, Project settings, but that also defaults allowing no changes for DVD video.

“A project’s authoring mode can be changed at any time in the Project Settings dialog box” is tagged at the bottom of the Basic tab in the Project Settings box no matter how it is accessed.

If one uses the File drop down, Edit Quality Presets then there are choices and presets etc.

Questions for you, if you have time.

Is there some magic place where the defaults can actually be reassigned?

If not, do you assign the transcode setting from the Edit Quality Presets then?

If so, which do you use?

The footage we have released plays fine from the DVD in the computer but when put into a TV with a hardware DVD player it is cropped and so far no matter which preset I choose, does not play at full frame whether choosing 4:3 or 16:9.

There seem to be few if any threads out there in Adobe land, so I very much appreciate any answers you might come up with.

Content is all set to 1920-1080 from Premiere, exported as separate (songs) files into MPEG2, before being constructed in Encore.

Thanks,

Rob

[Ricky Barrow]

I may be confused and/or I may have misread the original post. I have done Blu-ray, then switched to DVD – therefore I will transcode twice within Encore, one for Blu-ray and one for DVD. No matter which I am doing, I edit quality presets to have control over transcoding. Say you have 3 assets (videos) File 1 is 720p 59.94, File 2 is 16×9 SD 29.97fps, and File 3 is 720p 23.976 (24fps) – All of these will work fine on DVD. I try to set transcoding as close to the original file as possible, so for File 1 I use: Progressive, Widescreen, 29.97. For File 2 I use: UpperField, Widescreen, 29.97. For File 3 I use: Progressive, Widescreen, 23.976 (24fps).

The DVD does not specify globally what the frame rate is – that is determined by each video file and the fps with which it was transcoded.

Maybe this helps and/or maybe I’m crazy – I may not explain it well, I only know what works for us. 🙂

Ricky

[Stan Jones]

> The DVD does not specify globally what the frame rate is – that is determined by each video file and the fps with which it was transcoded.

For timelines, etc, that is all correct; you can mix framerates, and for bluray you can mix pixel sizes. For NTSC DVD, you are, of course, locked at 720×480.

The part that can’t be changed is the default transcode setting. There’s really no choic for DVD (except max rate and audio format). For BD, once set, you cannot change that for the project.

Rob, in your response to Ricky, it sounds like you’re talking about DVD, not BD.

Stan Jones

[Rob Manning]

Yes Stan in this case.

The issue is when the HD content is resolved by/through/into the default DVD aspect ratio, invariably it crops the video segments when played on a typical DVD device, in this case an older Toshiba flat face CRT television.

One forum stated to NOT re-size the content in Premiere, allow the authoring to do that and set the buttons to 16:9 etc. but so far none of the burns have fixed what happens when played on a DVD device.

The caveat is that opening the DVD on a laptop, with VLC etc. gives the correct aspect ratio when the screen is sized.

So far, yikes and bewildered at what should be an automatic process.

Thanks for the comments.

Rob

[Rob Manning]

Ricky Thanks,

Looks like settings is a subset of acuity within the 720 wrapper then and does not alter that even within the Quality settings.

I do appreciate the comments.

Thanks,

Rob