23.98 or 29.97

[Samuel Frazier]

29.97. 24pn is captured as 29.97. It’s 24p stuff with pulldown added already so it’s 29.97 but looks sort of filmic. But that’s a whole different discussion. Anyway, just edit as 29.97. I’m absolutely sure about this and am sorry you got conflicting reports before.

[Shane Ross]

Just to add confirmation…yes, edit 29.97.

23.98 is reserved for HD, DVD and Film. You should NEVER edit in a 23.98 timeline if you are ever going out to Standard Def tape.

Shane Ross
Alokut Productions
http://www.lfhd.net

[Dom Silverio]

Well actually, you will break the cadence if you edit in 29.97. Many argue that it is not a big deal, and I tend to agree. However, if you are editing 24p based material I prefer editing in 23.976 since you can migrate your projects to any future needs.
Also, you are dealing with less frames during the process so your renders are faster.

Also, editing in 23.976 is more flexibility if you need to master to NTSC and/or PAL.

[Captain Mench]

This is a bit misleading answer. I’m sure this is the conflict you are getting. The DVX adds a 2.3.2.3 cadence to the 24p setting. FCP will NOT remove the cadence for you — it is (as said above) meant to give a telecine look to your video. It is NOT meant to give you a 24fps sequence.

Yes, you might end up with odd interlacing upon editing and if it bothers you, you only need to change edit point one frame.

Use the 24pA setting on the DVX for the professional advanced 2.3.3.2 cadence that FCP can rip on the fly and you’ll be editing in a true 24fps DF sequence.

NOW —

This isn’t very hard… you can send all your 2.3.2.3 video into Cinema Tools and have IT rip the cadence off and you can edit in 24fps DF (23.98) and then use FCP to ADD back the 2.3.2.3 cadence ON THE FLY when you go back to tape — thus keeping the 2.3.2.3 cadence throughout and correct.

HOWEVER – I’d just do what the first poster to your question says and leave it in 29.97 and be done with it. I hope this doesn’t confuse you.

It really depends on what you want your final product to be.

Film — should have shot in 24pA — but you can use Cinema Tools to fix
DVD — could have shot in 24pA and kept it at 24fps on the dvd… but it works both ways
Web — same as DVD…
TV — only shoot 24p if you want a film(ic) look… shoot with 24p setting and edit in 30fps DF sequence.

Good luck,

CaptM

[Alan Brunettin]

Wow. Crazy.

Well first of all, thank you one and all. I went to a Christmas party last night and tried to have a good time, all the while this issue hanging over my head what with 5 weeks left to do a 6 week edit. You don’t know what I’ve been going through this past 10 days or so trying to nail this issue down. I am now at peace.

However I think I’m going to send the link to this thread to those guys in another forum that will go nameless; the ones who flat out told me just the opposite of what you all wrote here. This after exhaustive research on my own and arriving at this very concusion, feeling confident finally that I understood this confusing thing–only to have them tell me , in the words of Firesign Theater, “Everything you know is wrong.”

Anyway. Thanks. My producer thanks you. My partner thanks you. My backers thank you.

ab

[Don Greening]

Seasons Greetings A.B.

FYI you might also want to take the time to read the link below. Afterwards, you will be in a better position to decide how to edit your footage. Although the article speaks to using the Panny DVX-100A the principles will apply to any 24p capable camera. The article will also confirm what all the above posters have been telling you.

Knowledge is power.

https://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/24p_in_FCP_nattress.html

– Don

[Dom Silverio]

[CaptainMench] “This is a bit misleading answer.”

Are you refering to my reply? Can you explain?

[Alan Brunettin]

As a matter of fact, this is the very article I found that caused me to think I finally understood this whole pull-down craziness. I put a link to it on that other forum right before I came to Creative Cow for support.

But thanks. You’re right. it’s a valuable publication.

ab

[Captain Mench]

Actually — I thought I explained it quite well. 24p doesn’t mean 24 frames progressive. On the DVX it means it was 24p with added pulldown to 30 fps.

You are correct with what you said, but 24p and 24pA are two VERY different thing is FCP.

CaptM

[Dom Silverio]

[CaptainMench] “24p doesn’t mean 24 frames progressive. On the DVX it means it was 24p with added pulldown to 30 fps.”

That is true and I never said anything in contrary. Anyways, DVX 24p is as 24p as Varicam.

[CaptainMench] “but 24p and 24pA are two VERY different thing is FCP.”

Again, I never said anythig in contrary.