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2005-fcp 5, 2012-fcpX
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Chris Harlan] “But I have to agree with Aindreas that it is missing info. Its probably info that many people don’t see or use when they are looking at waveforms, but its there.”
Make sure the “Show reference waveforms” option is checked in the prefs.
“So there is a way to look at the full waveform? Cool!
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[Chris Harlan] “So there is a way to look at the full waveform? Cool!”
Not like you expect, no, but it does give you more information than the ‘scaled’ half form.
Here’s a picture with it off:
Here’s a picture with it on:
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Glad you sent this. I was just in X poking around thinking I was going mad for not seeing what you were talking about. Yes, this view does give you an easier way of judging where the wave passes the baseline, but no asymmetry info. This definitely would not keep me from using X–there are plenty of interesting audio additions–but, for me, the waveform drawings are sup par. I get that it was a valid choice they made–space and mobility over info that only a few people use–but I’m with Aindreas that the waveforms are lacking, though perhaps I disagree that they are a harbinger of the Apocalypse.
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I will not pretend to be an audio expert. For the most part, I send my audio out to be cleaned by a professional
That being said, audio tools in FCPX are vastly superior to fcp7, waveforms or not.
I would rather have the better tools than the better waveforms.
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[Chris Harlan] “though perhaps I disagree that they are a harbinger of the Apocalypse.
“Well, December 21st is fast approaching!
Steve Connor
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I will not pretend to be an audio expert. For the most part, I send my audio out to be cleaned by a professional
That being said, audio tools in FCPX are vastly superior to fcp7, waveforms or not.
I would rather have the better tools than the better waveforms.
“Dito. At first I didn’t get on with the waveforms, but have really warmed to them. The audio capabilities in the new version, especially when using multiclips is awesome. If you need more tools/ flexibility/functions than available in X (which is much much superior than was ever available in 7) then perhaps you are in the wrong part of the post production process. I have no interest in becoming a sound engineer, I really can’t understand the gripes.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I will not pretend to be an audio expert. For the most part, I send my audio out to be cleaned by a professional
That being said, audio tools in FCPX are vastly superior to fcp7, waveforms or not.
I would rather have the better tools than the better waveforms.
“That’s okay. Different strokes for different folks. I agree that SOME of the tools in X are superior in 7. The additions of a valid mixer and a standardized controller interface might convince me that MOST of the tools are superior. Of course, Premiere is currently lacking a controller, as well. So X isn’t alone in that.
And, not that you want or care to, but you don’t need to be an “audio expert” to get a little more than you currently are out of looking at waveforms. You certainly don’t have to–a lot of people don’t–but hopefully you won’t begrudge people who do.
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[craig slattery] “I have no interest in becoming a sound engineer, I really can’t understand the gripes.”
LOL. The fact that you can’t understand other people’s gripes doesn’t mean that there not legitimate; it simply means that you have no interest in doing so. And that you are being a wee bit condescending about it.
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[Chris Harlan] “And, not that you want or care to, but you don’t need to be an “audio expert” to get a little more than you currently are out of looking at waveforms. You certainly don’t have to–a lot of people don’t–but hopefully you won’t begrudge people who do.”
Not at all, but everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
I’d rather have X than 7 when it comes to audio. I use filters a lot more than the mixer in 7 and the filters in X are much better, much easier to use and manipulate., and now with audio component tools in 10.0.6, I can even see all my audio at once without weird side stepping workflows.
I use audio waveforms for loudness/level, finding beats/hits/whatever peaks and valleys I need to edit music/dialogue.
X’s waveforms do not hamper any of my ability, but the overall toolset increases my ability. Saying that Apple engineers have slacked here is a bit sensational and ignores the work that has been done.
And so, the debate rages on.
Aindreas would like FCP7 style waveforms, I’d like to have better tools, even without a mixer. Audio mixing in FCP7 is much more laborious and requires more guess work and rendering.
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there is a small lake of koolaid here methinks – those waveforms are manifestly worse, and analysing waveforms is part of the job. they are compromised imho.
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