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  • 16:9 Digi Beta_ very basic doubt

    Posted by Prathyush Kumar on March 15, 2015 at 7:41 am

    Hi Everyone,

    As the whole world is moving towards HD, 6K to 8K, our TV stations are still stuck in SD, just to give us sometime nightmares. I haven’t made a digit beta for last seven years, but now i have to make one. So just want to cross check my understandings are correct.

    What i have

    Apple Pro Res 422 HQ .Mov File.

    25 FPS

    1920*1080

    What my TV Station want

    16:9 SD Digi Beta

    I am using FCP 7.03, i figured out two ways to doing it, i haven’t find any distortion in my image though, but still want to confirm.

    Method 01

    Make a timeline in FCP

    720*576(5:4) Anamorphic turned on,
    codec to Uncompressed 8/10 bit.
    Drag and Drop my HD file and say NO to Change my sequence setting and change

    Method 02

    Convert 1920*1080 video to 1024*576 and open in FCP 7

    720*576(5:4) Anamorphic turned on,
    codec to Uncompressed 8/10 bit.

    then edit to tape.

    Result

    A 16:9 FHA SD Digi Beta

    In second method i found more luminance in image and less pixeling in text and graphics don’t know why, so i thought of following the second method.

    Could you guys please suggest is everything correct or am i missing anything.

    Thank you
    prathyush

    Prathyush Kumar replied 11 years, 1 month ago 4 Members · 13 Replies
  • 13 Replies
  • Rainer Wirth

    March 15, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    Best results are:

    First:
    Digibeta to Pro Res 422 (No HQ no LT)
    From the Pro Res file to SD matching the TV specs.

    Second:
    Keep the workflow with SD in a 50MBs codec with 4.2.2 color space from start to finish.

    I would choose second. Digi beta is shot with 10bit 4.2.2 codec. So any codec meeting these specs is fine.
    The less you transcode, the better the result in the end.

    cheers

    Rainer

    factstory
    Rainer Wirth
    phone_0049-177-2156086
    Mac pro 8core
    Adobe,FCP,Avid
    several raid systems

  • Prathyush Kumar

    March 15, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    Hi Rainer,

    Thanks for the reply.

    So you suggest to convert the original pro res files to Uncompressed 10 bit 422 directly with a dimension of 1024*576 and bring to fcp timeline with Anamorphic turned on, then edit to tape?

    prathyush

  • Rainer Wirth

    March 15, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    No,

    version one is 1920×1080 either p or i, the way the TV station wants,
    or 720×576 anamorphic SD.
    I would not choose 720p.

    cheers

    Rainer

    factstory
    Rainer Wirth
    phone_0049-177-2156086
    Mac pro 8core
    Adobe,FCP,Avid
    several raid systems

  • Rainer Wirth

    March 15, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    Edit to tape will be SD (720×576 anarmophic).
    The digibeta is just 720×576.
    Stick to the SD workflow (version2 10bit 422) all the time.
    cheers

    Rainer

    factstory
    Rainer Wirth
    phone_0049-177-2156086
    Mac pro 8core
    Adobe,FCP,Avid
    several raid systems

  • Michael Gissing

    March 15, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    What I/O card are you using to go to the digi beta? If Kona then you can edit to tape from your original HD timeline and set the Kona to do a downconvert to SD PAL. It will interlace as well as resize.

    The resolution will be better than any transcoding or resizing in FCP. FCP is poor at rescaling. If you have to make a SD file then use Compressor to make a 720 x 576 anamorphic Uncompressed 10 bit. Set frame controls on in Compressor and best for resize filter.

    Put that in a FCP timeline that matches and output to tape. Use one step to go from HD to correct aspect SD (720 x 576).

  • Prathyush Kumar

    March 16, 2015 at 5:12 am

    Hi Everyone,

    Thanks for the feedbacks. So right now i am converting my files in Quick time or Mpeg Stream and choose Uncompressed 10 bit 422, set as lower filed, then choosing the dimension to 720*576 16:9 aspect ratio, bring to FCP and drop in a 720*576 anamorphic timeline, make digi beta.

    So thats all or still i am missing something?

    Thank you
    prathyush

    *My Card is Black Magic i cant see much option there, i think it may be a very basic one.

  • Michael Gissing

    March 16, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    PAL is upper field. Do not set to lower. Use Compressor not MPEG Streamclip

  • Prathyush Kumar

    March 17, 2015 at 5:18 am

    Hi Micahel,

    Thanks for the input.

    Compressor takes a lot of time but i agree it gives you quality.

    Now this is where i am confused. when i set 720*576 16:9, i can see in brackets the resolution is 1024*576. So is it actually 1024*576 or 720*576. I converted in both ways setting everything same except its dimension and the result, quality is same.

    Why then we have to set to 720*576 when we can do the same with 1024*576 where at least more number of lines are there which means more information right?

    https://f1.creativecow.net/file/8663/8663_sasa.tiff.zip

    Please have a look at the image attached

    May be i am talking stupidity but just i am curious.

    Thank you
    Prathyush

  • Trevor Asquerthian

    March 17, 2015 at 2:38 pm
  • Prathyush Kumar

    March 18, 2015 at 5:46 am

    Hi Trevor,

    I got the point Trevor, but what i am confused now is when i am bringing a 720*576 16:9 to an anamorphic sequence in FCP i am getting a small black pillar on both sides of screen.

    But when it is 1024*576 16:9 the image appears full screen.

    I made a digital cut of both on separate tapes and result was same.

    Why this black space is there. I am clueless.

    Than you

    prathyush.

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