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1/3″ vs. 2/3″
Posted by Pierre on December 15, 2005 at 8:00 pmMore specifically, just for example, let’s take the HVX-200 and the Varicam.
Both are shooting in 720P @ 24fps. Both DVCPROHD. Both 4:2:2 color space.Obviously the lens on the Varicam is much higher quality…. and then their is the CHIP size.
I know that it effects depth of field and light sensitivity… but what else? Dynamic Range?I’m looking for an explanation: What is the difference between a 1/3″ and 2/3″ ? (In words)- I can already SEE the difference.
David Battistella replied 20 years, 4 months ago 6 Members · 7 Replies -
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John Sharaf
December 16, 2005 at 2:45 pmMichael,
There are really two differences; the main distinction obviously is the size of the imager, but the effect of this is that the depth of field is much greater on the smaller imager with a lens of comperable field of view. To many the “film-look” is distinguished because it’s imager is so large that even in normal or wide shots there are planes of focus. The skillful cinematographer uses this to advantage to direct the viewers attention to particular things in the frame.
The effect of selective focus can be controlled by iris, focal length and stageing, but the user of a smaller imager is severly limited in range.
The second difference which is manifest on the screen by the comparison of 1/3″ and 2/3″ imagers is that the larger imager has space for many more pixels. The Varicam for example has more than one million pixels on each of its three chips, whereas the HVX200 has ??? pixels on each chip. You’ll notice that Panasonic refrains from quoting a number both in literature and in person, because the number of pixels does not approach what many would consider to be HD resolution (on a pixel basis – 1280×720=921600) but through clever use of offset pixel structure (which of course has been used for years on SD cameras too) they have created a camera that looks remarkably sharp. One day we may know how many pixels there are, and I sustect it will be under 200K per chip. Also because of the native progressive scan, all pixels are in use for every field, whereas in an interlace camera (like the Sony HDV) only half the pixels are in play each field.
As you note, the differences in lens quality is significant, and this is because consumers will not endulge the great expence required to manufacture a high quality HD lens, whereas professionals insist on the best. You’ll see examples soon of HD lenses actually costing more than the cameras they’re put on, until economies of scale bring even those prices down as manufacturers begin to deliver quantities of thousands of units to every TV station in the nation.
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Jan Crittenden livingston
December 16, 2005 at 3:35 pm[john sharaf] “One day we may know how many pixels there are, and I sustect it will be under 200K per chip.”
Oh please John, this is just a silly guess. Frankly we use more than that on the DVX100B. I suppose the factory will eventually release the spec, but as the camera stands right now on a resolution chart it is on par with all of the other small HD cameras.
Best,
Jan
Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
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John Sharaf
December 16, 2005 at 4:51 pmJan,
You’re right, silly guess; DVX has about 400K! Don’t get me wrong though, I’m duely impressed with the HVX picture and can’t wait to receive my order of two units to start.
The question remains however, how many pixels can you possibly crunch together in a 1/3″ space?
JS
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December 22, 2005 at 11:32 am…and Digital processing…
Comming back to Pana 200 and Marketing of that camera.
1)Release date ….29th of December.
2)No details about CCD.
Very,very strange kind of Marketing…what have they got to hide??
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David Battistella
December 24, 2005 at 7:38 pmThis is what the DVX 100 chips are capable of when the codec is bypassed
https://www.reel-stream.com/magik_test.php/rs_1207cc.tif?type(png)
here is the linking page
https://www.reel-stream.com/gallery_individual.php?gallery_type=0&image_id=185
The chips are capable of far larger frame sizes than the codec allows for.
David
Merry Christmas
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David Battistella
December 28, 2005 at 2:19 pmThey modufy the camera so that you can get the signal in a RAW format before it gets processed to tape. In this set up you would have to use a laptop or MAc mini to record the picture, but that is how panasonic suggests you record from the HVX when there are several hours of materail to record.
David
Merry Christmas
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