-
10.c & d Multiple crashing repeatable…frustration high
Today has been the most frustrating day in over a year and a half living with Vegas. I’ve completed editing a clip in multicamera mode. It’s a segment within a larger video project. The whole project is 10 tracks deep. Nothing too big. 8 minutes long. It’s a four camera shoot, I’ve edited with multicamera, and everything looks pretty good. Then I find that there is some studio noise, just prior to the artist starting the song. I try and shorten the clip by shortening the beginning of the song, something I’ve done a lot in single camera settings, and bang. A crash. I can replicate this. It was happening in 10.c, and I upgraded to 10.d and it still happens. Why did I upgrade? Because Vegas “told” me that the solution to the problem was to upgrade. That was not true. The identical issue is still there.
I have spent three hours and have figured out a workaround. It’s not elegant but it lets me edit the front part of the multicamera shoot and get the job done. My profit margin on that piece of the job is out the window. I have to say, I’ve done multicam with other well known NLE’s and never had repeatable crashes like this.
Questions: Is there some known problem with multicamera editing in Vegas? Is it experiencing some problems because of multiple cameras and formats? (I’m thrilled that I’ve been able to edit AVCHD, MOV, and XDCAM on the same timeline. Should I convert everything to AVI just to avoid this kind of problem? My other 4 camera bit of video did not have any problems, nor did last weeks. And why, after doing the multicam editing, is my footage especially audio tracks, showing pink (as in unrendered)? Is that a problem or normal behavior? My other clips do not look like that.
Additionally, the recovery file has taken me back 30 minutes, which is way too far, and folks, believe me, I save religiously at every completed bit.
Question: What did I do wrong to have my recovery files go back further than the last edit????
I know that this is likely operator error, and maybe some bug thrown in for good measure. But there is so little real documentation by Sony on the indepth issues of this very complex piece, I’m hoping that John R. or someone here can help me understand what might be happening before I simply give up, buy 10TB more for converting everything to Prores, and copy all my footage to my other editing bench…
Vegas’ lack of needing to have everything transcoded has meant the difference in profit or not in many of my small pieces, especially for us yokels here in the hinterlands. A couple of hours is well worth shaving off my time. But this crashing has gotten worse lately, and I have to find a solution for this or I’m going to go insane…Thanks in advance for answers, or more questions.
Here’s two jpg’s showing what’s been happening.The first shows an “orphaned” clip, which I have no idea how it got that way, but I moved it from the end of the multicam edit off the working timeline because it was crashing every time I moved it back to the timeline. (it’s out of the working project and I worked around this).
In the second one, you can see the timeline beginning, and there is a tiny clip buried underneath the beginning one. It was crashing whenever I moved it. You can also see that the clip is “pink”. Sorry if this is simple, but I do not usually ever encounter this issue.
The “media offline” only is there because I was working outside Vegas at that moment.
Alf
-
5 Replies
-
[Al Bergstein] “Questions: Is there some known problem with multicamera editing in Vegas?”
None that I know of. It’s just placing multiple takes in the same event. This shouldn’t be a problem. I’m using it on an edit I’m doing right now with HDV and AVCHD footage and it’s working fine.
[Al Bergstein] “Is it experiencing some problems because of multiple cameras and formats? (I’m thrilled that I’ve been able to edit AVCHD, MOV, and XDCAM on the same timeline. Should I convert everything to AVI just to avoid this kind of problem?”
It may be a better workflow to convert all of your various formats to a single format. Normally you should not have to do this but it’s worth a try to see if it gets more stable.
I must say that I have to save an awful lot with Vegas Pro 10d and I’m working with just HDV most of the time. It seems to still have some stability issues.
[Al Bergstein] “And why, after doing the multicam editing, is my footage especially audio tracks, showing pink (as in unrendered)?”
Pink audio means it’s out of sync with the video. It will show you by how much. You can right-click on it and sync it back by moving or slipping. Sometimes it erroneously shows the audio off by zero. I don’t know why.
[Al Bergstein] “Question: What did I do wrong to have my recovery files go back further than the last edit????”
I don’t think the backup file is made all that often. I always use my own save files because they are always more current than the last backup. You didn’t do anything wrong.
[Al Bergstein] “Here’s two jpg’s showing what’s been happening.The first shows an “orphaned” clip, which I have no idea how it got that way”
I’ve seen this happen when you edit with Ripple Edit turned on. Sometimes I forget to turn it off and Vegas slips a piece of media behind another. You should be diligent to only turn it on when you need it and turn it right off after you use it.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com -
Thank you John. I’ll try some of these suggestions tomorrow, and post this video for you to see and enjoy when the client is satisfied. So far, it’s been my best work to date with multicam, and by and large Vegas is doing quite well.
Alf
-
When I have an issue with multi-cam, rather than try to figure out the takes, I create new tracks above the multi-track, one track for each take, then keypad up each take to its own track. I find it a lot easier to isolate a problem this way (the old-fashioned method) than to go back to expanding the multi tracks, which almost always let me screw something else up.
Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com -
Good point Steve. I did just that a month ago.probably should have this time.
Alf
-
My system drive is accessible in a front-load disk caddy. “My Documents” is on the internal “D” drive. I can swap the system drive and reboot in minutes. It’s an easy way to test new software of unknown or dubious source.
Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up