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  • 1080p workflow desqueezes 1.33 anamorphic ?

    Posted by David Galindo on September 11, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    I having a hard time figuring out the right template to start my workflow.

    I recorded my footage from my iPhone using FlimicPro. The iPhone is capturing into a 1080p frame at 24fps 16:9. In addition, I am using a 1.33 anamorphic lens that squeezes more into the frame.

    When I load the file into Sony Vegas Pro 13, it loads a frame with 2554×1080 with Aspect Ratio= 1.000 (square). No letterbox or pillars. The preview window displays 2554×1080.

    When I use Mediainfo, it says the PAR is 2:35:1 and more below:

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L5
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
    Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=2
    Codec ID : avc1
    Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
    Duration : 33s 452ms
    Bit rate : 66.4 Mbps
    Width : 2 554 pixels
    Clean aperture width : 2 554 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Clean aperture height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
    Frame rate mode : Variable
    Frame rate : 24.000 fps
    Minimum frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Maximum frame rate : 24.024 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.003
    Stream size : 265 MiB (98%)
    Title : Core Media Video
    Encoded date : UTC 2016-09-11 12:47:12
    Tagged date : UTC 2016-09-11 12:47:46
    Color range : Limited
    Color primaries : BT.709
    Transfer characteristics : BT.709
    Matrix coefficients : BT.601

    Is this correct? Or am I suppose to set the frame back to 1920×1080 ? What pixel aspect ratio will I need to use?

    Trying to avoid letterbox and pillars after rendering and let the media players add the black bars automatically.

    John Rofrano replied 9 years, 10 months ago 4 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Graham Bernard

    September 12, 2016 at 12:16 am

    Sounds intriguing! I don’t have any valuable feedback, but would enjoy in seeing at least one Screengrab of your anamorphic output and the optical lens attachment on your iPhone!

    * Grazie

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  • John Rofrano

    September 12, 2016 at 1:26 am

    [David Galindo] “I recorded my footage from my iPhone using FlimicPro. The iPhone is capturing into a 1080p frame at 24fps 16:9. In addition, I am using a 1.33 anamorphic lens that squeezes more into the frame.

    When I load the file into Sony Vegas Pro 13, it loads a frame with 2554×1080 with Aspect Ratio= 1.000 (square). No letterbox or pillars. The preview window displays 2554×1080.”

    That doesn’t seem possible. Everything is correct but it shouldn’t be. The video should be 1920×1080 squeezed. Are you sure that you used 16:9 1080p in FilmicPro and not 2.35:1? There is no way that the footage would have come out correctly like it did unless Filmic Pro or Vegas Pro knew about the anamorphic lens (which they couldn’t have). But magically, MediaInfo is reporting the footage correctly having more resolution that it should. 2554×1080 PAR 1.0 is 1920×1080 PAR 1.33.

    I too am interested in learning more about this setup.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasstsoftware.com

  • Wayne Waag

    September 12, 2016 at 5:02 am
  • David Galindo

    September 12, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    Correct, that is the lens I am using along with the 52mm filters, Zhiyun gimbal, and a rode videomicro compact.

    I don’t have any footage available online yet but here are samples from other folks using the anamorphic lens.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RGgNsREbqk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eqQuR2GJBY

    but just to confirm, If I render out to main concept, the aspect ratio will be 1.33 instead of 1.3333?

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  • John Rofrano

    September 12, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    [David Galindo] “but just to confirm, If I render out to main concept, the aspect ratio will be 1.33 instead of 1.3333?”

    I would not use an aspect ratio other than 1.0. Most media players don’t handle aspect ratios well. Render it out as 2554×1080 with a square aspect ratio of 1.000. If MainConcept can’t handle that width then you have no other choice but to use an aspect ratio of 1.3333 but I would render as square pixels if you can.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasstsoftware.com

  • David Galindo

    September 13, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    Thanks, it turns out it was the app automatically desqueezing the footage.

    but strangely it was unable to convert to the Cineform GoPro file at this resolution. So I turned off the feature and recaptured in 1080p.

    🙁

    For now I am setting the project properties to 1920×1080 with par 1.33, and set the “Maintain Aspect Ratio” to false in the pan and cropping tool. Would this be the best way to desqueeze in Sony Vegas Pro?

  • John Rofrano

    September 13, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    [David Galindo] “For now I am setting the project properties to 1920×1080 with par 1.33, and set the “Maintain Aspect Ratio” to false in the pan and cropping tool. Would this be the best way to desqueeze in Sony Vegas Pro?”

    No, I would set the project properties to the unsqueezed resolution at PAR 1.0. You don’t want to be cropping anything. You want to work in the full resolution.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasstsoftware.com

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