1080 60p into FCP7

[Rafael Amador]

Hi Randy,
there is not any problem on editing 1080p60 stuff in FC.
There are no 1080p60 Sequence Presets on FC, because that’s not a real HD standard, but you just need to edit a 1080p30 sequence.
the only real pain is the AVCHD codec.
If ClipWrap works, would be grate just re-wrapping.
You have to try that before you buy ClipWrap: It doesn’t works with the AVCHD coming from my JVC-Everio.
If re-wrapping with ClipWrap doesn’t works, you’ll need to transcode the files.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

[Jeremy Garchow]

I would highly recommend NOT shooting and editing in 1080p60 especially if you’re coming from iMovie.

At this stage in the video game, 1080p60 is not plug and play and you will not be able to convert to anything useable very easily upon output. I’d recommend shooting 1080p24 or 1080p30, or even 1080i as that’s essentially the look 1080p60 will give you.

Jeremy

[Rafael Amador]

[Jeremy Garchow] “I would highly recommend NOT shooting and editing in 1080p60 especially if you’re coming from iMovie. “
I agree with Jeremy.
1080p60 makes sense only if you need to do slow-mo at 1080.
Is a real pain of workflow.
Better shooting 720p60 and get a good upscaling.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

[Randy Arnold]

thank you for your responses.

i was wondering if i used the 1080 60i option of the tm700 if there would be a lot less trouble with fcp7?

does anyone know if using 1080 60i would work ok with fcp7 and not have the problems like 1080 60p?

i am also still wondering if anyone has actually solved the problem of 1080 60p using ClipWrap and if that solution actually works for fcp7?

thanks

randy

[Jeremy Garchow]

If you shoot 1080i60, you can use log and transfer and edit/export fairly easily.

If you shoot 1080p60 you need to use clip wrap to transcode to ProRes. You will then have to convert the frame rate after your done editing. If you plan on using a capture card to monitor your footage you will need to work in dual link/3G hdsdi. This is not something you want to partake in as it’s expensive and more complicated. Stick with broadcast frame rates and it will be much easier for you.

You can and wil do what you want, but I’d stick with a more friendly format for your first spin around the fcp block.

[Gary Adcock]

[Rafael Amador] “There are no 1080p60 Sequence Presets on FC, because that’s not a real HD standard, “

That is incorrect and misleading.

My SMPTE Guide lists 1080 50/60P under the 274M SMPTE/ EBU standard that the basis for all broadcast engineering, it is the basis of the 3G HDSDI standard and is required to deliver “frame-packed” full rez content to both eyes for 3D.

The main reason there are not any 1080 60p pre-sets in FCP is due to the requirements for 3rd party hardware video-out hardware to handle the signal correctly. Without that type hardware FCP will default to 30p / 60i.

In traditional media a 1080p60 stream is captured over a dual link HDSDI connection- it is NOT passable / transferable over FW from this camera.

gary adcock
Studio37

Post and Production Workflow Consultant
Production and Post Stereographer
Chicago, IL

https://blogs.creativecow.net/24640

[Rafael Amador]

[gary adcock] “That is incorrect and misleading.

My SMPTE Guide lists 1080 50/60P under the 274M SMPTE/ EBU standard that the basis for all broadcast engineering, it is the basis of the 3G HDSDI standard and is required to deliver “frame-packed” full rez content to both eyes for 3D……”

Great to know about this recent implementation for 3D.
Thanks for this interesting info.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

[Mick Diener]

I’m working with Panasonic Tm900 footage in FCP… which is essentially the same as the Tm700 with it’s associated workflow issues and aberrant AVCHD 60p wrapper. I’m using Clipwrap to transcode the 60p files into ProRes (and they look fantastic in FCP!). But for the sake of simplicity in workflow, file size and final output , I want to convert these files to 30p. I started by dropping these 60p files into a 30p sequence on FCP to see what would happen. The result is the expected increase in motion stutter (which I’m totally fine with) but ALSO a troubling and puzzling increase in horizontal and vertical moire. I also tried a different conversion workflow in which I used clipwrap to rewrap the tm900 files as h.264 files and then used Compressor to transcode into ProRes not at 60p but 30p. I then dropped this 30p clip into a 30p timeline and experienced the same moire noise.

What could be causing this? It doesn’t seem like progressive footage (even with every other frame dropped) should be producing moire issues. Is there a way to correct the problem?

By the way I am viewing these clips and sequences full-screen on a mid-2010 Macbook Pro, and the moire problems I’m describing are ABSENT when viewing the 60p clip in a 60p (59.94) timeline.

Thanks for any assistance you guys can give me.

[Randy Arnold]

i have the tm700. i also use clipwrap. i found that if i record in HA mode, that clipwrap transcodes the 60i footage to 30p (prores 422). at least i assume it is 30p. in quicktime it says it is 29.97, so i am assuming it is 30p, otherwise why would it take 60 fps down to 30?
i don’t know if going to prores 422 HQ would keep it at 60i or not though.
if i rewrap 1080/60p to prores 422 i get it at 59.97 which it should be.
i am going by memory here, and i hope my comments are accurate!
but if it truly does rewrap 60i footage to 30p footage, then there is no advantage to record in 1080p60 if you want 1080p30.

[Mick Diener]

Thanks Randy. The thing is I’m wanting to shoot in 60p because progressive has superior resolution (full progressive frame height) compared to interlaced (60i).

The question is — why would converting a 60p clip to 30p (or playing a 60p clip in a 30p sequence) cause a notable increase in “moire” noise? Increased motion stuffer would be expected (and I even like it!) but the vibrating noise around fine lines — why should that increase when FCP or Compressor presumably is just dropping every other progressive frame?

(See my original entry for more details of my workflow experiments.)