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10.3.2 Is out – WOW review from a huge X facility in Europe.
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[Andrew Kimery] “I suspect part of Herb’s snark is in that you purposefully left off Mads last line about the performance improvement in the timeline “
It’s not a conspiracy guys.
Mads posted his Original opinion it in a slightly different form in a private group.
Our standard there is we never quote the discussions elsewhere without specific pernissiin.I asked for and got that permission from him and quoted only a part of his original longer post. After words, he realized that others might be interested and adapted what I had originally seen in private – as a more public post – it went to Peters site – which is what you are now referring to.
That didn’t exist in that form when I made my initial post.
Simple as that.
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[Oliver Peters] “More so than with either Premiere or Media Composer”
Well sure.
Traditional track based systems map to other traditional track based systems easier than a Roles based system can..
I would have thought that was kinda obvious.
The point of X breaking away from that was to add fundamental new capabilities into the mix that a track based system was never designed to allow?
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See my other post.
That FCP.co story didn’t exist when I made the original post you are alluding to.
I get that your preconception is that I’m happy to try to deceive people via selective quoting. But you are flat out wrong about that here.
I pulled the quote I posted here directly from Mads private communication. NOT the FCP.co story you imagined it came from.
Simple as that.
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[Bill Davis] “It’s not a conspiracy guys.”
Thanks for the clarification, Bill.
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[Oliver Peters] “Compare the dates.
“From the release of Premiere?
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[Scott Witthaus] “From the release of Premiere?”
No, the dates of the two films mentioned in the links I provided.
[Scott Witthaus] “[Herb Sevush] “So according to one of it’s better known proponents it’s taken 5 years for X to be suitable for long form work. Well, I guess that is progress.”
Took Premiere a lot longer, though.”
Your contention was that it took Premiere a long time to be ready for long-form, yet in the examples cited, “Gone Girl” and “Focus”, it was the film that was using Premiere that was in post ahead of the one using FCPX.
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[Oliver Peters] “My point with all of this is that FCPX is fine as a closed ecosystem, but every time I have to go out of it to the larger post world, I have to hold my breath. More so than with either Premiere or Media Composer.”
This has been my real world experience since switching to Resolve full time a few years ago. XML from all systems and audio AAF or OMFs are always a breath holding matter from all NLEs. But X has been the most problematic. Sometimes it comes down to users not understanding why they have to be responsible for buying X2Pro or worry about how they have organised files and file naming protocols. But this happens in all NLEs.
The fact that experienced editors feel the same doesn’t surprise me. No amount of denial by people who don’t live an die daily in shared workflows alters this for me and many others in post finishing.
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[Bill Davis] “Traditional track based systems map to other traditional track based systems easier than a Roles based system can.. ”
So X has a problem as all audio finishing systems (ProTool and Fairlight etc) are track based for a number of really important reasons. This merely reinforces the opinion of post finish people that X is less reliable in workflows other than your Bill where you seem happy to do everything within your NLE of choice.
Which makes it extra annoying when you attempt to brush aside real world concerns if it dares your premise that X is the alpha and omega. Just accept that some of us have perfectly reasonable things to still debate about X.
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[Bill Davis] “Traditional track based systems map to other traditional track based systems easier than a Roles based system can.. “
Actually no, that’s not the issue at all. The problem I’m seeing is that each clip only exists on the translated timline for a few frames, with large gaps in between. Or cases where the clip was renamed in X and in the translation, links to the actual media file was lost, since the file has a different name. Or no linking whatsoever with compound and synchronized clips.
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But Herb, what I have keeps getting better and better and better.
And that makes my work easier and easier and easier.
Why the hell would I want to give that up?
For example, I have a minor project in house where I have a bunch of stock photos embedded in an art directors design. We sourced the images from at least 5 stock sources like Getty, and iStock, etc.
I set up sub-roles for each image source. That lets me highlight each vendors clips with a click. Better than that, in the timeline index, I can sort by those subRoles and group/sort by vendor or clip ID. These small projects often take weeks to get client feedback about – so whenever I get back to it, I know that my “micro database” of image source information lives right inside my project. On “go ahead”, it’s way easier now to use the image ID info embedded in the clips to source the non watermarked finals and replace them in the projects Compound clips.
Just a tiny type of convenience Roles is enabling for me as I learn new ways to use it.
I just can’t fathom why I’d want to jettison these very efficient new workflows to move away from X.
Maybe AVID and Premiere Pro let you “reach into” your timelines and identify assets by metadata class like this, I don’t know. All I know is I’m finding it super useful and efficient.
FWIW.
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The shortest path to FCP X mastery.
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